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Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - aretack - 01-07-2013
It's a shame that some of you label those that decide to "opt out" as idiots. If you did your research you would find that there are a number of different issues concerning vaccinations aside from the false research that suggested a link with autism. Take a look at the link between auto-immune diseases such as diabetes, psoriasis, childhood allergies of any kind including peanut and asthma. This is a short list, so before you judge "opt-outs" be sure you have done your homework. And lastly, I say to those of you who are vaccinated, why are you so worried disease coming back due to unvaccinated populations. If the vaccines work the way they are supposed to, you have nothing to worry about, you're protected, right????
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - Chakravartin - 01-07-2013
Racer X wrote:
[quote=Chakravartin]What's the "rational" dividing line? What odds?
If the frequency of significant complications is WAY below the frequency of infection, and subsequent misery or death, COMMON SENSE dictates you take that precaution. If the mortality rate is 1 in 10K without an innoculation, and 1 in 100K with it, and 1 in 50K of a complication, you risk of death is 10X greater without, and the risk of a complication is still only 20% of the risk of death. People face these odd all the time when they have risky surgery.
Another point of view is "Is your right to not inoculate, and risking infection and transmission to others more or less important than someone else's right to be safe from you?"
By your reasoning, nobody should be vaccinated against measles.
The mortality rate from measles is less than 10% and the odds of getting it in the United States are roughly 1 in 2 million. You child will have way better odds of getting struck by lighting (1 in 775,000).
The risk of death or injury from *not* getting the shot is negligible.
(Thanks to herd-immunity.)
...And you're expecting "normal" parents to attempt to solve the problem using math. That's funny!
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - freeradical - 01-07-2013
aretack wrote:
It's a shame that some of you label those that decide to "opt out" as idiots. If you did your research you would find that there are a number of different issues concerning vaccinations aside from the false research that suggested a link with autism. Take a look at the link between auto-immune diseases such as diabetes, psoriasis, childhood allergies of any kind including peanut and asthma. This is a short list, so before you judge "opt-outs" be sure you have done your homework. And lastly, I say to those of you who are vaccinated, why are you so worried disease coming back due to unvaccinated populations. If the vaccines work the way they are supposed to, you have nothing to worry about, you're protected, right????
Ha Ha Ha - A first time poster with nothing to offer except conspiracy theories...:jest:
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - aretack - 01-07-2013
Freeradical...first question is, are you a scientist? I am assuming no, and not because I think you are stupid, but rather, if you we're a scientist you would understand that all drug testing must be done with a control known as a placebo. This is a practice required by the FDA, and thank goodness because it is the only way to know if a drug works or not, or if it has any side effects as compared to a placebo, a sugar pill. Vaccines are not tested in this fashion, no placebo, nothing. I would recommend you look this up and them come back here and tell me how that makes you feel about the safety of vaccines. See its not vaccines that people are against I've afraid of, it's their safety, or rather, lack thereof.
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - freeradical - 01-07-2013
aretack wrote:
Freeradical...first question is, are you a scientist? I am assuming no, and not because I think you are stupid, but rather, if you we're a scientist you would understand that all drug testing must be done with a control known as a placebo. This is a practice required by the FDA, and thank goodness because it is the only way to know if a drug works or not, or if it has any side effects as compared to a placebo, a sugar pill. Vaccines are not tested in this fashion, no placebo, nothing. I would recommend you look this up and them come back here and tell me how that makes you feel about the safety of vaccines. See its not vaccines that people are against I've afraid of, it's their safety, or rather, lack thereof.
Good grief!
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - freeradical - 01-07-2013
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - freeradical - 01-07-2013
aretack wrote:
Vaccines are not tested in this fashion, no placebo, nothing.
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Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - Chakravartin - 01-07-2013
aretack wrote:
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Well, there goes any hope for further intelligent debate.
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - aretack - 01-07-2013
Chakravartin...you are completely correct.
Freeradical...I certainly don't claim to know everything about vaccines but I have done a tremendous amount of reading, and oh by the way, I AM a scientist. You my friend have referred to no primary source reference material that supports your claim(s). If you would like me to do so I would be glad, but given that last serious of posts I am confident in saying that YOU are an imbecile and not worthy of debating any topic with. Good day and enjoy your sophomoric life. Unfortunately for you, you have lost your credibility on this forum.
Re: 2012 worst year for whooping cough since 1955 - aretack - 01-07-2013
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