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I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: December 07, 2010 07:23AM
I'm not sure what PSAs are like these days for people that are in the casual sex portion of their lives, but I know the topic of sabotaging a condom (not even sure what that IS) constituting forced sex aka rape, has not been covered by any TV show or news article I've ever read...

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The female interviewing officer, presumably because of allegations of a sabotaged condom in one case and a refusal to wear one in the second, concluded that both women were victims: that Jessica had been raped, and Sarah subject to sexual molestation.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: December 07, 2010 07:31AM
Mini... different laws in different countries.

BUT it looks like our hero violated natural law....

The one about "Hell Hath No Fury".
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: December 07, 2010 07:35AM
that goes without saying. The article mentions PLENTY about her, (THEM), but I did not want to cast aspersions.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: December 07, 2010 07:36AM
I'm sticking with sheep for the near future. (but only when I visit Jersey!)
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: billb
Date: December 07, 2010 07:42AM
Apparently you don't understand what "please stop" means.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: haikuman
Date: December 07, 2010 07:42AM
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: December 07, 2010 08:07AM
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billb
Apparently you don't understand what "please stop" means.



I didn't catch "please stop" - any female not being FORCED can easily disengage.

That said... his using a breach in US Security as his means to get laid, is pretty sad, so I'm not caring much.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: December 07, 2010 08:25AM
I could see how it possibly could be interpreted as obtaining sex by means of deception/'fraud'; which I think falls under the category of rape is some places. Woman agrees to sex only if the guy agrees to wear a condom. Guy says he will, but intentionally damages the condom in a way that will make it fail*. The woman is now having sex under terms she did not agree to, and is exposed to the possibility of pregnancy or STD.

And wow, that article brings a whole new meaning to "fair and balanced"... big grin smiley

*And if you're asking 'why would anybody do that?', well, somebody who engages in any form of sexual assault usually is a sandwich or two short of a picnic to one degree or another to begin with.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 07, 2010 08:39AM
Who here hasn't had a condom break? I don't see him getting much time (alive.)



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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: billb
Date: December 07, 2010 09:18AM
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Jimmypoo
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billb
Apparently you don't understand what "please stop" means.



I didn't catch "please stop" - any female not being FORCED can easily disengage.

That said... his using a breach in US Security as his means to get laid, is pretty sad, so I'm not caring much.

There have been many articles ( some poorly translated from Swedish) back when this first happened.

That's one 'version' of 'the story'.
There have been many others.

Some of the others the condom didn't "break". It was removed.
And the removal was one of the commonalities between the two young ladies.

Time will tell.

Maybe.


What 'truth' gets admitted to or revealed may or may not be or have been.

Despite any of the parties evil or non-evil intentions I hope no one is getting railroaded or used.

Especially if it's only to sell Budweiser and an agenda.



edit: and my post was directed at the OP's post , not yours.
I try to quote subsequent posts to avoid confusion.
Better to always quote when a post is 'downstream ' ?

and I'm not going to speculate why someone would want to remove a condom. That may be a very valid reason why the Swedish authorities want Assange present for a direct hearing/questioning.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2010 09:57AM by billb.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: davester
Date: December 07, 2010 09:47AM
The story sounds a bit fishy, more like a honey trap than anything else. However, if someone did intentionally sabotage a condom or have sex without a condom against the woman's wishes it certainly would constitute some form of sexual assault or rape. That you can't see that tells volumes, jimmy.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2010 09:48AM by davester.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: December 07, 2010 10:35AM
>>>That you can't see that tells volumes, jimmy.


well..... type volumes then, so we both know!
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: December 07, 2010 11:16AM
I'm voting "died unexpectedly from a previous undiscovered medical condition" while in custody.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: December 07, 2010 11:16AM
I was just snickering about the 'rabid feminist' acting like a starstruck groupie and shagging the hell out of this guy. And then when he brings home a REAL groupie (and shags the hell out of her) the 'feminist' decides it's time for some payback, baby and talks the brainless chippie into filing a complaint.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Doc
Date: December 07, 2010 11:37AM
The charge is not rape.

Both women have said that the sex was entirely consensual.

The actual charge is "sex by surprise." It carries a $715 maximum fine in Sweden, which is the only country in the world that has such a crime.

Sex by surprise refers to having consensual sex without a condom after your sex-partner requests that you use a condom.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: billb
Date: December 07, 2010 12:08PM
The first warrant in August was for rape but was deemed unchargeble and cancelled.
The current warrant is supposedly for molestation ( sex by surprise) ( molestation is a broad category) and unlawful coercion.

He (his lawyers) has supposedly trying to work out a hearing appearance since the middle of November.
A "threat" of a international warrant would appear to be little more than a tactic to hurry it up.

I'm certainly not familiar with Swedish Court system and procedures but from what I've read he needs to plea at a hearing either guilty pay the fine and be on his merry way or claim innocent and have a trial of some sort.

Has the alleged international warrant even been declared or still just talk ?



I'd be more suspicious that delays have been due to fears of safety .
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: decay
Date: December 07, 2010 12:13PM
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Doc
The charge is not rape.

Both women have said that the sex was entirely consensual.

The actual charge is "sex by surprise." It carries a $715 maximum fine in Sweden, which is the only country in the world that has such a crime.

Sex by surprise refers to having consensual sex without a condom after your sex-partner requests that you use a condom.





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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: haikuman
Date: December 07, 2010 01:18PM
more *(:>*



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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: December 07, 2010 01:35PM
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Blankity Blank
The woman is now having sex under terms she did not agree to

So if the guy says "I'm going to make you climax like you never have before..." and the girl says "you better" and it doesn't happen, the guy thus commits rape? I don't think so.




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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: decay
Date: December 07, 2010 05:11PM
sex with "terms" sounds like prostitution



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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: December 07, 2010 05:39PM
sorry, been away since my post to an Aunt's funeral.
I still am GLAD I am not a single guy on the market today. I don't know what constitutes fair rules, let alone legal jeopardy in such cases, nowadays. This almost makes a case FOR LEGaLIZING prostitution.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Doc
Date: December 07, 2010 06:50PM
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decay
sex with "terms" sounds like prostitution

'Could be. It's legal in Sweden... so long as you're selling, not buying.

Gosh, they have weird laws there.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: December 07, 2010 09:45PM
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M A V I C
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Blankity Blank
The woman is now having sex under terms she did not agree to

So if the guy says "I'm going to make you climax like you never have before..." and the girl says "you better" and it doesn't happen, the guy thus commits rape? I don't think so.
Neither do i, but then the two situations are very different in context and possible consequences.
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Re: I've been off the market too long. Sabotaging condom is rape?
Posted by: billb
Date: December 08, 2010 08:56AM
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decay
sex with "terms" sounds like prostitution

do you let everyone @#$%& in all your orifices, or do you have limiting terms ?



And technically Assange is wanted for questioning regarding court matters which happen to revolve around or pertain to possible certain charges.
He's not wanted for the charges. Whatever they may be, have been or become.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2010 08:59AM by billb.
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