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Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: March 04, 2011 07:52AM
2005 Honda Accord iCTDi Tourer. Being in the UK you probably don't need to know the actual quote but has anyone else been unpleasantly surprised? It seems it has a "dual mass flywheel", something I had to Google, and half the front of the car has to be removed to deal with the clutch. The clutch quote alone is huge but if they need to change the flywheel the cost is more than double what I paid for a little Ford Ka runaround over a year ago which has been problem free.

I went to the Honda main dealer first and then tried a specialist clutch company which brought the price down a little. Due to the number of very specific tools needed it seems that it is a job that most ordinary garages won't/can't do.

Paul



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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 04, 2011 07:57AM
Only special people do well in clutch situations!

Good luck
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 04, 2011 08:02AM
When a timing belt can into US$1000 when properly done, I doubt the figure for a clutch could surprise me.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: OWC Jamie
Date: March 04, 2011 08:08AM
Since you're in the UK, I'll throw you a car you may have seen on Top Gear smiling smiley

Vauxhall Monaro (AKA Pontiac GTO) - $1700 USD or about 1050 Pounds.

How's it compare to your Honda?

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Good Luck!
Jamie Dresser
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2011 08:09AM by OWC Jamie.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 04, 2011 08:18AM
I was surprised to learn what my dad and sister had to pay to get new catalytic converters for their respective 2001 CR-Vs a few years ago.

The first sign of weirdness was that a Honda ---well, 2 of them--- with about 100,xxx miles even needed replacement catalytic converters.

The second sign of weirdness was that at the time, nobody had replacements except Honda, even though these were not new vehicles.

It was about $1200; my brother-in-law got his done at the dealer for about half. When you can talk the dealer down by almost 50% you know something's up. I think the dealer had a large case of the guilts and knew it was crazy.

It's made me think twice about other K-engine Hondas---which means all of their 4cyls in the last 10 years or so since the F-series engine was retired. Apparently, a sloping sort of L-shaped catalytic converter that's more prone to catching water is part of the K-series design.

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On the other hand, one expensive design anomaly on an otherwise fine design does not a "bad deal" make. And it's not as if other makers aren't doing similar expensive things, such as incorporating the catalytic converters into the exhaust manifolds.

So live it up, Paul, some of us here are envious of your Acura TSX Accord Tourer manual trans. And who knows? One day you might find it needs a new catalytic converter, and it could be a "cheap" repair compared to the clutch. Feel better, yet? ;)
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: billb
Date: March 04, 2011 08:51AM
Only FWD clutch I did on Fiat decades ago.
Conventional clutch. Not fun.
FWD was when I decided working on cars wasn't fun any more.

2K pounds wouldn't surprise me.



Having done one decades ago on a RWD car for about $75 I wouldn't be happy.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: olnacl
Date: March 04, 2011 08:55AM
Stories like these are why, at this stage of my life, I decided to spend the money on Honda's 8 year extended warranty.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Psurfer
Date: March 04, 2011 09:56AM
In this neck of the woods (USA), finding the right immigrant Russian or Mexican mechanic can dramatically reduce labor charges.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Raymond Roche
Date: March 04, 2011 10:08AM
Shop labor rates have skyrocketed over the last decade. Around here they were $22 an hour in 1998 and still in 2000. In 2007 they were $122.

A new shop opened and is advertising a shop rate of $60 an hour. Their lot is constantly full.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 04, 2011 10:23AM
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olnacl
Stories like these are why, at this stage of my life, I decided to spend the money on Honda's 8 year extended warranty.

I got a really good deal on my Miata, so I decided that I'd splurge and get a 7 year "bumper to bumper" extended warranty. After 4,000 miles the clutch started acting up (not worn out, just "sticky" ). I took it to the dealer, who said that they had gotten a service announcement about that issue and would replace it for free. I said that was great, but I had an extended warranty so it didn't matter. He said that the extended warranty didn't cover the clutch. So I said, but the clutch only had 4,000 miles on it. Didn't matter, he said. The clutch is considered like brakes, which I had been told were not covered by the warranty at the time I bought it - but they didn't mention the clutch as not being covered, though I'm sure it was buried in the pages and pages of print somewhere.



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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 04, 2011 11:26AM
Ted- yep, a clutch is a 'wear item'.

Damn... I promise to be nice to the clutch on my '02 Civic. 126K miles, and it still feels okey dokey. But then again I don't hammer on it or slip it a lot.


Cripes.... you basically have to damn near drop the whole engine. Front Wheel Drive cars.. blech.

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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: ADent
Date: March 04, 2011 11:53AM
Buddy at work got his first Audi (5000 Quatrro) for cheap from his Brother-In-Law because it was going to be $1800 to change the clutch - this was over 10 years ago. He did it himself, but it took awhile.

My catalytic converter on my BMW was $1200 for the part from the dealer in 1995. Somebody did sell rebuilt ones for $600. Local muffler shop guy felt guilty charging me $215 for a generic one that he had to custom weld in - I think the total was $300 installed.

Looks like $1500 is normal for a TSX clutch - what price were you quoted? (I think the OP's car is very similar to a TSX Wagon here in the states).

Here is a quote for $3654.90 for an Acura - the bigger TL: [www.acura-legend.com] .
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: vision63
Date: March 04, 2011 12:08PM
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Psurfer
In this neck of the woods (USA), finding the right immigrant Russian or Mexican mechanic can dramatically reduce labor charges.

Yeah. I'll never pay exorbitant prices for auto repair. I buy all of my own parts and they "implement" them. International Blvd in East Oakland is a money saver. Just ignore the chalk outlines (kidding sort of).
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: (vikm)
Date: March 04, 2011 01:50PM
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vision63
Just ignore the chalk outlines (kidding sort of).

nice... winking smiley
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: JJ
Date: March 04, 2011 05:52PM
voodoopenguin,

Dualmass clutches are expensive relative to ordinary clutches. They do reduce noise and vibration which is why many manufacturers (especially diesel car ones) are using them.

I don't have a Honda diesel, but my VW Golf TDI has a dual mass clutch. Look into replacing the dual mass with a regular clutch. Doing this can save you a significant amount, but you may have increased noise/vibration. From what I have gathered from the VW sites, the increase is not terrible and you can save some money.

If none of this works for your Honda, I think you will just have to pay the money and continue to enjoy your excellent diesel fuel efficiency.

Sorry UK fuel prices are so high right now. They are definitely higher for me too on the military base.

Just out of curiosity, since I live in the UK, how much was the quote?

I cannot type tonight, so many edits...

JJ



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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Bimwad
Date: March 04, 2011 08:46PM
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voodoopenguin
2005 Honda Accord iCTDi Tourer.
Paul

Aren't you the one who owns the Biturbo? I can't imagine it would be inexpensive to service either. driving smiley

Dual mass flywheels move the damping springs from the hub of the clutch disc to the flywheel for better NVH characteristics. Unfortunately, they do wear out, and are considered unserviceable replacement parts, so they can add another magnitude of cost to the repair job.

Catalytic converters are expensive due to their precious metals content. Aftermarket replacements are much cheaper because they don't have to meet the same durability and warranty requirements that the factory parts do. They may suffice for owners who wish to nurse an old car for a short period, but are not likely to last for a longer term.

Some states, notably the great state of Kalifornia (where an unelected board of pseudo-scientists enjoy unchecked power in drafting emissions regulations), have further restrictions on replacements cats that also drive up the cost.

Close coupled catalysts reduce the time required for the components to heat up and for the catalytic process to begin. Emissions are high when engines are running in open loop after a cold start.
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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: vision63
Date: March 04, 2011 09:06PM
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(vikm)
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vision63
Just ignore the chalk outlines (kidding sort of).

nice... winking smiley

I love The Town.

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Re: Good grief, just had a quote to change the clutch on our car
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: March 05, 2011 05:54AM
I am surprised the carbon footprint concerned country even lets you move, let alone drive.
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