With Jimmypoo's guidance, I got 10.7 running on my 2006 Mini, which has been upgraded with a 2.33GHz C2D chip.

I followed these instructions - carefully:
[vureyosx.blogspot.com]

Somehow I missed the announcements on this but APPLE REMOVED SAMBA (SMB) [and AFP] SUPPORT FOR LION. These protocols are how my Buffalo LinkStation network drive communicates with my computer...and I gotta believe a lot of other network drives too.

Any suggestions for how to restore SMB? I found it easier to use than AFP, which sneakily doesn't display files with long filenames or certain characters in their names.

This is kind of a big deal. I might go back to Snow Leopard.

Apple substituted their own SMBX code for the open source SMB code due to conflicts with the GPL. I've been told that for most users the change will be pretty transparent, but there are still a lot of bugs to be worked out... and that's the extent of my knowledge on the subject.

Do SMB://... URLs no longer work when entered in the "Connect to server..." window in the Finder?

Nope. SMB:// and AFS:// URLs bring up:
"There was a problem connecting to the server "xx.xx.xx.xx". The version of the server you are trying to connect to is not supported. Please contact your system administrator to resolve the problem."

The problem is, I don't think Buffalo is going up update their older NAS devices with Apple's new protocol. Who would?

But who would break a basic networking functionality like this in a new OS? BIzarre. A dealbreaker.

I'm not going to worry about unreleased software.

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I'm not going to worry about unreleased software.

Not relevant to the discussion. Lion is gold master, you are going to need to deal with these realities or not upgrade.

tenders,
Thank you for the reminder.

So is the assumption here that SMBX would still permit connection to a Windows box? Because if not, what good will be for? Begging the question: what would be different about it for connecting to a NAS vs. a Windows PC?

You guys seem to be saying that basic SMB and AFP is essentially broken in 10.7.0 --- that seems to be something on the order of magnitude that would have prevented Lion from reaching Gold Master, release schedule be damned.

does this affect the connection to a USB HD attached to an Airport Extreme base station?

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does this affect the connection to a USB HD attached to an Airport Extreme base station?

Only of that aspect of AFP is broken, or if indeed *all* AFP is broken. So the relevant question is, how many have tried it that way?

I don't think that Golden Master is as golden as it once was. after all, discs aren't being pressed.

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I don't think that Golden Master is as golden as it once was. after all, discs aren't being pressed.

Yep. A "Network Services Update" could be in Software Update immediately after 10.7 is installed.

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And since it's "one day late" according to popular rumors, and rumors are more enjoyable than facts, it's obvious 10.7 is vaporware. OS X is abandonware!

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And since it's "one day late" according to popular rumors, and rumors are more enjoyable than facts, it's obvious 10.7 is vaporware. OS X is abandonware!

No kidding. Not sure why people want to pretend the Lion release is not imminent. Hide all your facts, fingers in ears, can't hear anyone!!!!



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I don't think that Golden Master is as golden as it once was. after all, discs aren't being pressed.

Yep. A "Network Services Update" could be in Software Update immediately after 10.7 is installed.

Yes, but this had nothing to do with the lack of a disc. 10.x.1 often arrives soon after 10.x.0 hits. 10.6.1 was released Sept 10, 2009 and if you recall, Snow Leopard itself was released August 28, 2009

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I don't think that Golden Master is as golden as it once was. after all, discs aren't being pressed.

So you still think PowerPC support is included with Lion? After all, how can we know since Lion hasn't shipped.

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Apple substituted their own SMBX code for the open source SMB code due to conflicts with the GPL. I've been told that for most users the change will be pretty transparent, but there are still a lot of bugs to be worked out... and that's the extent of my knowledge on the subject.

Do SMB://... URLs no longer work when entered in the "Connect to server..." window in the Finder?

Quoted for emphasis. Somehow people seem to have missed your post.

I find it hard to believe that they would make something difficult that was just now being touted as
the way for iPads and iPhones to connect, with security, to Windows Server - and Exchange.

There has got to be a solution in place to make Lion the "Base Port" for the other two devices, and
function similarly to iOS 5 --- and with ease, or all this corporate acceptance for these devices is going
to get a kick in the nuts.

[forums.appleinsider.com]

and for even more info....

[www.google.com]

(no more Front Row in Lion?? That partition for my Snow apps may be bigger than I realize!!)

Note: not broken, as in buggy, but broken, as in removed.

This so-called "workaround" inspired considerable hope but did nothing discernible for me. I did it twice, tried entering it without curly quotes, etc.:
[www.alexanderwilde.com]

I guess it is possible that my six-or-more-year-old NAS enclosure is obsolete but it seems bizarre.

Actual solutions/workarounds/substitutions/etc. would be welcome.

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I don't think that Golden Master is as golden as it once was. after all, discs aren't being pressed.

So you still think PowerPC support is included with Lion? After all, how can we know since Lion hasn't shipped.

I'm holding out hope!

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Note: not broken, as in buggy, but broken, as in removed.

This so-called "workaround" inspired considerable hope but did nothing discernible for me. I did it twice, tried entering it without curly quotes, etc.:
[www.alexanderwilde.com]

I guess it is possible that my six-or-more-year-old NAS enclosure is obsolete but it seems bizarre.

Actual solutions/workarounds/substitutions/etc. would be welcome.

It was not removed, works fine connected to plenty a Windows server. Just as you can connect AFP to many a Mac server. All that broke was some random network appliance.

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See, that's what I was wondering. Seems more likely the NAS box in question used something it assumed was "like" SMB with Windows, rather than actual SMB. Maybe an out of date Linux solution? Sorry, I have no idea what that Buffalo really runs.

Have you checked for firmware updates for the Linkstation?

I had SMB and AFP problems with my Linkstation under Tiger and Leopard. I fixed the SMB problems with a firmware update. (AFP still doesn't work reliably.)

It's also possible to hack the firmware on older Linkstations. If it comes to it, you may be able to install Linux server software on your box that would keep it going for a few more years.

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Note: not broken, as in buggy, but broken, as in removed.

You think Apple removed SMB and AFP from Lion?

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With Jimmypoo's guidance, I got 10.7 running on my 2006 Mini, which has been upgraded with a 2.33GHz C2D chip...Somehow I missed the announcements on this but APPLE REMOVED SAMBA (SMB) [and AFP] SUPPORT FOR LION.

Apple didn't remove supports for those protocols; it changed them. Good discussions here:

[forums.appleinsider.com]
[forums.buffalotech.com]

UPDATE...and I would understand anyone's DILLIGARA response here...:

Updated the NAS to the most recent (vintage 2005) firmware through Windows XP on Parallels; astonishingly, it had no effect on the (vintage 2011) SMB/AFP incompatibility.

Ultimately decided that hoping/waiting for a solution and/or a hackfest on a 2005 device wouldn't be worth the intervening loss of utility. Ergo, may the Buffalo NAS RIP. Perhaps it will renaiss during some Free Item Monday.

Replaced, at substantial cost, with a Synology 211j NAS and a single (for now) 2TB Green drive. Received a substantial increase in speed, capacity, capability, and intrinsic Mac compatibility, and eventually, redundancy. Lost a substantial amount of fan noise.

Ultimately the time, expense, and inconvenience of this escapade were not worth the Lion upgrade. I don't think I've ever felt this way about an Apple OS upgrade before...not even about the switch from 9 to X.

Careful and/or bored readers may recall that I'm running a 2006 Core Duo Mac Mini that I upgraded a few weeks ago with a 2.33 GHz Core 2 Duo chip sourced, used, from eBay. This resulted in an incremental but not amazing speed increase. I consider that $120 well spent but as Jimmypoo pointed out, the correct 2.33 GHz chips are a bit scarce and the job could probably have been done 95% as well for half the price with the more common 2.0 GHz chip. And - an important reminder - the stock internal hard drive in the Mini is dog-slow. An external USB or FW boot drive makes a huge difference.

The upgrade made the Mini fairly readily compatible with Lion, though it required a hacked installer to get it onto the machine. Thanks also to Jimmypoo for pointing this out.

For my purposes, the only weakness I see with this machine now is the fact that it maxes out at 2 GB of RAM due to a firmware limitation that I don't think can be overcome by mere mortals.