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The whole point of Lion
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 22, 2011 05:12AM
...in my opinion, is not to create a hybrid OSX/iOS environment, but to begin to get users acclimated to touch gestures for the next generation of touchscreen Macs. It's a UX principle, you can't throw too much new stuff at users who have preconceived ways of doing things, you have to boil the frog gradually. Introduce new hardware with a radical way of input and it's going to be met with some resistance because it will be too much for many users to learn at once. Ultimately, Apple cannot evolve the Mac without evolving the OS first.

They did the same thing with the iPhone. When it was intro'ed it had a fraction of the touch gestures that are now second nature to us all. Pinch to zoom was a revolutionary concept, scrolling with your fingers was magical. But if the iPhone had been released with advanced two and three finger gestures, many would either ignore the additional functionality or it would become a barrier to purchase.

Why else would Apple implement things like inverse scrolling and Mission Control, which most agree is essentially a step backward from where we've all been (expose, spaces)? The reason is because the old way worked great when you had a mouse and a keyboard but it's overly complex for systems designed for touch. Everything I see in Lion was designed with touch input in mind, it feels awkward because it's been shoehorned into current-gen mouse-and-keyboard systems. They are simplifying the user experience and planting little ux seeds for the next generation product.

Mark my words, Lion is only the precursor, the appetizer for a new generation of touch-based Macs. Lion may be the King of OSX but it's just a cub compared to what's coming next. Lion is the beginning of the end for OSX. It'll be EOL before we know it.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: July 22, 2011 05:15AM
The whole point of Lion is to simplify the development, distribution and support of the OS to save money.

The interface changes are lipstick on a pig.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: July 22, 2011 05:51AM
A touch-based DESKTOP screen makes no sense in the real world. banghead smiley If you want to talk a table surface, then that's a whole new ballgame. wiggle smiley



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 22, 2011 05:54AM
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WHiiP
A touch-based DESKTOP screen makes no sense in the real world. banghead smiley If you want to talk a table surface, then that's a whole new ballgame. wiggle smiley

Knowing Apple, I'm guessing whole-new-ballgame.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: DRR
Date: July 22, 2011 05:58AM
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Chakravartin
The whole point of Lion is to simplify the development, distribution and support of the OS to save money.

The interface changes are lipstick on a pig.

They built a billion dollar data center to avoid printing and shipping cardboard boxes?
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: blooz
Date: July 22, 2011 06:30AM
I'm staying back here in the snow leopard dark ages until you all figure it out.



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: DP
Date: July 22, 2011 06:44AM
What blooz sez...
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 22, 2011 06:45AM
.....it seems....the TRUTH hurts.....


......you can't handle the TRUTH......???



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: July 22, 2011 06:49AM
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DRR
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Chakravartin
The whole point of Lion is to simplify the development, distribution and support of the OS to save money.

The interface changes are lipstick on a pig.

They built a billion dollar data center to avoid printing and shipping cardboard boxes?

The profits from the iOS App Store and iOS devices more than justify the capital outlay for the data center. Everything else they get out of it is a bonus.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: blusubaru
Date: July 22, 2011 06:52AM
So, next is... Snow Lion? smiling smiley
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: July 22, 2011 07:00AM
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blusubaru
So, next is... Snow Lion? smiling smiley

I think they're going to jump right into OS X 11.

They've already got the new names lined up:

11.0 - tabby
11.1 - spots
11.2 - tortoishell
11.3 - cream
11.4 - smoke
11. 5 - tuxedo
11. 6 - caleco
11.7 - seal point
11.8 - mittens
11.9 - Jellicle
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: modelamac
Date: July 22, 2011 07:14AM
I agree - well stated.

I don't like most of the changes and features. Don't use them. Don't need or want them, as they tend to cause me to use more steps to get the same job done.

I have two choices:

Accept and learn to live with the new OS

Let my dislike rule and fight a losing battle.

My biggest problem is being pushed into a trackpad/gestures world when I cannot physically adapt to that due to age and infirmities and attitude. I have very little problem using a mouse with precision. I always use a mouse with my laptop Macs even on the road.

How can graphics folks possibly use gestures with any precision? What about Photoshop? FCP? Audiophiles? Programmers? These do not necessarily mean professionals.

It appears there will be 2 worlds: the mousers and the swipers.

If Apple starts to exclude the mouse from use, someone will come along to fill that void. I suspect it will be in the form of a remote control or laser device.



Mr. Curmudgeon, on several OSes and an ego trip.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 22, 2011 08:03AM
What's a mouse? I'd have to go back to pre-Pismo days.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Black
Date: July 22, 2011 08:03AM
Steve basically admitted that touch screens are an ergonomic disaster when he intro'd the solid state MBAs. "Macs" are not moving to touch screen interface.




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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 22, 2011 09:15AM
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Black
Steve basically admitted that touch screens are an ergonomic disaster when he intro'd the solid state MBAs. "Macs" are not moving to touch screen interface.

This.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: jdc
Date: July 22, 2011 10:25AM
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DRR
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Chakravartin
The whole point of Lion is to simplify the development, distribution and support of the OS to save money.

The interface changes are lipstick on a pig.

They built a billion dollar data center to avoid printing and shipping cardboard boxes?

They saved a billion dollars in printing, packaging and delivery.



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 22, 2011 10:30AM
Dark ages here, too, on my Mac. I'm too engrained with a mouse when I write to be held back by crappy touch devices.

At the same time, I'm adding this note via an iPhone. Slow, but it works because it's always connected to the cloud.

If Apple offered a 3G (or better!) MBA, I would use that instead.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: decay
Date: July 22, 2011 11:05AM
i demand OS X Scottish Fold.





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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 22, 2011 11:33AM
OS 11 as a name is already taken.



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: silvarios
Date: July 22, 2011 12:01PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
OS 11 as a name is already taken.

So was OS 9 and iOS (and iPhone). If Apple wants 11, surely they can afford to pay for the privilege.



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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 22, 2011 12:59PM
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DRR
They built a billion dollar data center to avoid printing and shipping cardboard boxes?

I asked myself that same question yesterday. The answer, of course, is "yes" and "no."



It is what it is.
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Re: The whole point of Lion
Posted by: davester
Date: July 22, 2011 01:02PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
OS 11 as a name is already taken.

Oh no! That means they won't be able to use the slogan

"It goes to (OS) 11!"



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