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Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: JEBB
Date: August 08, 2011 10:40AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: wowzer
Date: August 08, 2011 10:44AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Trouble
Date: August 08, 2011 10:45AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: August 08, 2011 10:46AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: August 08, 2011 10:46AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Linda2
Date: August 08, 2011 10:48AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 08, 2011 10:53AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: JEBB
Date: August 08, 2011 10:57AM
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MacArtist
Is there a way of setting up a Virtual Machine running 10.6.x to be able to use PPC apps in Lion?
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: August 08, 2011 10:58AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 08, 2011 11:01AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 08, 2011 11:11AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: DRR
Date: August 08, 2011 11:11AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Fred_Also
Date: August 08, 2011 11:17AM
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space-time
so it seems more like a business decision.
I wonder if Apple or the company who owns Rosetta could make it available as a separate module via App Store
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Winston
Date: August 08, 2011 11:19AM
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Linda2
I have more than a few PPC applications that I, like you, cannot replace and do not want to do without. I certainly won't be upgrading to Lion.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Spock
Date: August 08, 2011 11:24AM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: August 08, 2011 11:46AM
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Spock
Heads up guys, word on the street is that it is possible to install Rosetta on Lion from the Optional Installs package in Snow Leopard. I read that a poster on MacInTouch made the claim.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: hal
Date: August 08, 2011 11:59AM
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Linda2
I have more than a few PPC applications that I, like you, cannot replace and do not want to do without. I certainly won't be upgrading to Lion.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Winston
Date: August 08, 2011 12:09PM
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hal
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Linda2
I have more than a few PPC applications that I, like you, cannot replace and do not want to do without. I certainly won't be upgrading to Lion.
For how long I wonder? Five years? Twenty years? You know that you can't hold out forever. At some point you'll all break down and move on.
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I've wondered about this myself.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 08, 2011 12:20PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 08, 2011 12:38PM
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GGD
Well, they were licensing it to end users as part of 10.5 and 10.6.
And none of us know the exact terms of their contract for the Rosetta technology, it's all speculation.
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Re: I've wondered about this myself.
Posted by: Winston
Date: August 08, 2011 12:40PM
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... Quicken was developed with PowerPC-specific instructions for core components of the software, which has made it a daunting and practically impossible task for Intuit to get running on the Intel architecture. As a result, when Apple drops PowerPC support altogether, Quicken will no longer run. ...
According to The Mac Observer, Apple and Intuit have been aware of this problem for the vast Quicken user base, and in order to prevent Quicken from being cut off in OS X Lion are working together to try to embed the essential aspects of Rosetta in the Quicken software to keep it going.
This project is likely going to take a while to get implemented, and ultimately it may not be possible to get done either properly or in enough time for it to be a feasible option for either Intuit or Apple, but at least the companies are giving it a shot. In short, initially Quicken 2007 will not work in Lion, but there is a possibility that sooner or later it will run.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 08, 2011 12:45PM
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Re: I've wondered about this myself.
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: August 08, 2011 01:10PM
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Winston
My son told me a few weeks ago that there was some movement to provide limited Rosetta support in Lion because of one program: Quicken. Too many Mac users have it, and there is no Intel only version. Haven't heard that anywhere else, but he is more "plugged in" than anyone I else I know (perhaps excepting some of our experts here).

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Re: I've wondered about this myself.
Posted by: Winston
Date: August 08, 2011 01:17PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: August 08, 2011 01:43PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 08, 2011 01:56PM
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silvarios
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GGD
Well, they were licensing it to end users as part of 10.5 and 10.6.
And none of us know the exact terms of their contract for the Rosetta technology, it's all speculation.
"QuickTransit is not a product that you can buy as an end user. The way Transitive makes money is by selling a licensing agreement to the QuickTransit platform to a vendor, which pays a multi-million dollar fee for that license. The vendor also pays an annual maintenance fee that runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, and then a per-machine license fee for every box they ship with QuickTransit on it. Apple is eating the cost of the QuickTransit-based Rosetta environment with each sale of a Mac or Xserve."
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silvarios
GGD,
Also note that Transitive is now owned by IBM. My understanding is the tech is not available for new customers, but legacy customers are still supported.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: August 08, 2011 02:13PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: rz
Date: August 08, 2011 03:33PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: August 08, 2011 03:56PM
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Spock
Heads up guys, word on the street is that it is possible to install Rosetta on Lion from the Optional Installs package in Snow Leopard. I read that a poster on MacInTouch made the claim.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: tenders
Date: August 08, 2011 04:20PM
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 08, 2011 08:15PM
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GGD
And what that article is saying is that QuickTransit is not marketed directly to end users, but rather to OS vendors to provide to their end users. And the talk of Apple providing a Rosetta installer is very consistent with that, just as it was when they sold 10.5 and 10.6 to end users which included Rosetta.
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GGD
Yes I'm aware of that, and Apple is presumably a legacy customer.
I'm still trying to understand your point about why Apple would be unable to provide Rosetta for Lion. Every copy of QuickTransit that an end user got was licensed to the end user by the OS vendor, and they "License something they don't own" (but have a contract that allows them do that).
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Re: I've wondered about this myself.
Posted by: Winston
Date: August 08, 2011 08:46PM
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Winston
My son told me a few weeks ago that there was some movement to provide limited Rosetta support in Lion because of one program: Quicken. Too many Mac users have it, and there is no Intel only version. Haven't heard that anywhere else, but he is more "plugged in" than anyone I else I know (perhaps excepting some of our experts here).
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 08, 2011 09:36PM
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What are these PPC apps that are priceless and irreplaceable?
Not doubting, just curious.
For me, it is drivers for my scanner. It's the HP that does the auto-feed, and I don't think any other software enables that functionality.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 08, 2011 09:46PM
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silvarios
My response was directed to the comment regarding Apple allowing third party developers to implement QuickTransit. I doubt that is possible under the current licensing agreement.
Again, my response in this discussion was about redistribution to third party commercial developers. I think you completely missed the point of my response. I never said Apple couldn't keep paying millions of dollars towards providing users with access to PowerPC applications, but since you asked; no I don't think Apple has any interest in keeping Rosetta alive. Nor do I think Apple has the rights to redistribute QuickTransit to third party developers. Sorry.
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Re: Is the absence of Rosetta in LIon a business or technical decision?
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: August 08, 2011 10:07PM
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