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inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:25PM
I need something like an angle bracket but one that mounts on top rather than below the shelf. So the shelf kind of "hang's off the bracket. I found some online but they are giant ugly metal brackets you'd use in your garage. These need to be smallish. Probably no more than 5 inches tall. I can easily just get a normal pair and install them upside down, but I was hoping for something so it didn't LOOK like they were installed upside down.




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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 12, 2011 12:30PM
sounds useful in the event of inverse gravity.



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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:32PM
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sounds useful in the event of inverse gravity.

Or for mounting a center channel.




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Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: September 12, 2011 12:34PM
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sounds useful in the event of inverse gravity.

Or for mounting a center channel.

Put it on a shelf. You aren't planning on drilling into the speaker cabinet are you? slap smiley



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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:37PM
no drilling the speaker cabinet.

that's why I want the shelf. But I have wainscoting underneath so no room to put brackets.




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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: September 12, 2011 12:38PM
I'm not sure, but I suspect 'inverted' brackets need to be stronger (therefore bigger) to handle the load. Maybe someone who has more experience can chime in...

EDIT: On second thought, maybe not. Metal under tension (which is what an inverted bracket would be in) is more efficient than metal under compression (due to what engineers call 'crippling' loads).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2011 12:43PM by Carnos Jax.
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Posted by: Paul F.
Date: September 12, 2011 12:39PM
I've inverted shelf brackets before... and they hold a moderate load pretty well. I wouldn't want to use them to "hang" a bookshelf that's going to be fully loaded, but for a speaker, yeah... I'd do that.



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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:41PM
That was my thought. The speaker isn't too heavy. Plus I figure the back edge of the shelf would probably rest on the chair railing. So that would help it support the weight.




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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: September 12, 2011 12:44PM
If you've got a chair rail under the shelf, then I'd definitely use a shelf bracket upside down. Almost exactly the situation I used it in (only it was a window casement, not a chair rail).



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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: billb
Date: September 12, 2011 12:48PM
L brackets come in a whole bunch of sizes
the bigger ones will have an angle support that would get in the way


you should be able to find them with one side longer than the other, too

they are utilitarian, but if they are small enough you shouldn't see (much of ) them inverted.





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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:55PM
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L brackets come in a whole bunch of sizes
the bigger ones will have an angle support that would get in the way


you should be able to find them with one side longer than the other, too

they are utilitarian, but if they are small enough you shouldn't see (much of ) them inverted.

I was looking for something less utilitarian. Since I have to look at it all the time, I'd like it to look halfway decent.




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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 12:56PM
I'll probably just see if I can find some brackets that look halfway decent upside down.




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Posted by: billb
Date: September 12, 2011 01:01PM
no way to use the more typical 5.1/7.1 wall and ceiling mounts ?
They don't necessarily all look terribly pretty, either.

paint 'em so they don't stand out quite so bad ?





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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 01:05PM
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no way to use the more typical 5.1/7.1 wall and ceiling mounts ?
They don't necessarily all look terribly pretty, either.

paint 'em so they don't stand out quite so bad ?

The more typical brackets are made for this...





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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: September 12, 2011 01:07PM
It sounds like a good place to use a floating shelf. They're not hard to find, or build yourself. If you want a suspended shelf, you could use wire or cable. They're harder to find ready-made, but easy to piece together. Or, hide an angle or L-bracket behind the speaker.

As long as the shelf is the right size for the speaker, nobody will be tempted to stack lead sash weights on it or what have you.

So much work just to avoid couple tiny screw holes in the back of the speaker cabinet!
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Posted by: billb
Date: September 12, 2011 01:12PM
5 inches can't weigh much - treat it like a picture frame ?



oops, Mike got there already





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Posted by: datbeme
Date: September 12, 2011 01:14PM
I was looking for something that would give a sleek, "floating" look, but my center channel is almost 16" deep and weighs over 30 pounds. I did a lot of thinking and researching of mounting ideas. I've never heard of anyone else trying this for a speaker, but I ended up using these cable brackets:

[www.containerstore.com]

It worked well for me and it looks pretty good. I'm probably pushing the limits—not just because of the weight but because the 16" shelf I made for it changes the physics of the intended design. My shelf sticks out much further and the cable has a much shorter vertical drop than the example in the photo. Still, with good anchors it seems pretty sturdy. If possible, I'll try to take a pic.

A smaller, lighter speaker would be even easier, and I'm sure you could find a nice-looking finished wood or glass shelf that's 8"-12" deep. I cut my own shelf and finished it with several coats of a black, glossy stain. Fits in well with the silver and black of my TV/Stand.
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Posted by: datbeme
Date: September 12, 2011 01:16PM
Of course, if Mike Johnson had been around back then, I would've thought of that right away. :-)
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Posted by: billb
Date: September 12, 2011 01:18PM
One of the very first speaker pairs I bought ( or maybe got for Christmas as a teen) had a hole in the top so you could hang them on a nail.
So I did.
Hid the wire in the wall, too.





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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 01:22PM
The surrounds and fronts have a keyhole for hanging. Not sure if the center does. Only b/c its 6 inches deep and 25 inches wide...or thereabouts.




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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: flareslow
Date: September 12, 2011 01:25PM
These might look ok upside down:

Ikea Shelves
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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: September 12, 2011 01:28PM
How about making them from wood?
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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 12, 2011 01:36PM
Yeah, I would just put a couple of screws in the speaker cabinet and mount with brackets or use some sort of cheap L-bracket color matched to the speaker.

otherwise, I'd suspend the speaker at either end with fishing line or wire and a little block on the bottom for balance.
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Posted by: datbeme
Date: September 12, 2011 01:38PM
Here's mine...

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Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 12, 2011 01:41PM
hey, that is neat. is that bracket custom or store bought?

(also, what speaker is that? -beautiful finish)
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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 01:44PM
i like that too.




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Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: September 12, 2011 02:49PM
The most elegant solution is probably this floating shelf from Ikea.
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Posted by: Frank
Date: September 12, 2011 02:57PM
If you don't mind attaching something to the rear of the speaker, try this:
cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood to the dimensions of the rear. Rip it lengthwise at an acute angle (30 degrees or so). Mount the top portion to the speaker rear. Attach the lower portion to the wall (hitting the studs, if possible). Paint the edges of the plywood black or to match the speaker. The speaker "hangs" on the lower portion attached to the wall, along its entire length (speaker width). This is VERY solid and requires no shelves.
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Posted by: bazookaman
Date: September 12, 2011 03:08PM
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If you don't mind attaching something to the rear of the speaker, try this:
cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood to the dimensions of the rear. Rip it lengthwise at an acute angle (30 degrees or so). Mount the top portion to the speaker rear. Attach the lower portion to the wall (hitting the studs, if possible). Paint the edges of the plywood black or to match the speaker. The speaker "hangs" on the lower portion attached to the wall, along its entire length (speaker width). This is VERY solid and requires no shelves.

Heh. Hung a bathroom cabinet yesterday using just such a mechanism.




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Re: inverted shelving brackets?
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 13, 2011 06:21AM
here is a one solution, I have some of these

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Posted by: datbeme
Date: September 13, 2011 09:25AM
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hey, that is neat. is that bracket custom or store bought?

(also, what speaker is that? -beautiful finish)

As mentioned above, the bracket is from the Container Store, but I've also seen it a few other places online.

[www.containerstore.com]

The speaker is an X-CS Encore from AV123. Really nice equipment, but the company is now defunct. That tends to happen when the owner is convicted of stealing from people and defrauding charities.
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