The newest OS I am using at home is Leopard, and the newest OS I am using at work is Snow Leopard. My iPhone is nicely up to date, however.

I thought maybe I could sign up for iCloud and access it from the iPhone, however when I went to do so there were so many caveats and warnings that I backed out again.

What's this about not being able to access your old mobileme emails via Apple Mail? Does this mean my computers will no longer receive the .mac email? Or does this mean the computers will, but my iPhone will not? Or does this mean my email is going bye-bye forever?

Please let's not get into why I don't buy Lion. Let's just say that I don't like to run an OS newer than I run at work, and work refuses to upgrade to Lion for whatever reasons the IT folks have come up with. Anyhow, I hate to bother at this late date because Mountain Lion or whatever it is is coming, and besides all my machines are old.

SO really this is simply about my .mac email. Do I need to start notifying everyone to use a different address for me? The good news is, I don't use it for personal email. The bad news is, I use it for everything else.

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"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

I'm just going to revel in your admitting to being stoopid!

Seriously though: as I understand it the only way to keep your .mac email address is to adopt iCloud, and the only way to do that is to adopt Lion. I'm not sure how iOS devices figure in to this because I have none. But yeah: I think without Lion, it's buh-bye to your .mac email address. I've been using mine for work now for a number of years and now have to change many logins, contacts etc. What a pain!

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hmmm.... I hope you're wrong, Uncle Wig; I did a long distance upgrade to iCloud for my MIL and her @me.com account which had been part of my MobileMe family pack. She doesn't have Lion, but the switch over to iCloud seemed to work. [I did it the old fashioned way by talking her thru the steps over the phone; this was about a month ago and she has sent and received emails since then, so I think it worked.]

This might help - Taking Control of iCloud - free, 60 minute video - [oreillynet.com]

1. MobileMe is dead as of June 30. iCloud will take over the duties for the @me.com - @mac.com email accounts. I've made the transition, and although it was not smooth, it now works as it should. Your iPhone will be just fine, and will sync with iCloud using SL
2. Make sure your old MM emails are downloaded to your Mac, and you will always have them. Archive them for your peace of mind, if needed.
3. Any Mac that can be set up for iCloud will receive the iCloud (@me.com) email. The mail will synch among all devices if you desire.
4. When you start setting it up, read EVERYTHING carefully, and think about what you read.
5. Try to use one and only one Apple ID, preferably the one you use for your MM account. I hope it is the same as that used for iTunes purchases. To date, you can't get rid of all but one ID or consolidate them. That is supposedly coming, but so is Christmas.
Hope this helps.

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The newest OS I am using at home is Leopard, and the newest OS I am using at work is Snow Leopard. My iPhone is nicely up to date, however.

I thought maybe I could sign up for iCloud and access it from the iPhone, however when I went to do so there were so many caveats and warnings that I backed out again.

What's this about not being able to access your old mobileme emails via Apple Mail? Does this mean my computers will no longer receive the .mac email? Or does this mean the computers will, but my iPhone will not? Or does this mean my email is going bye-bye forever?

Please let's not get into why I don't buy Lion. Let's just say that I don't like to run an OS newer than I run at work, and work refuses to upgrade to Lion for whatever reasons the IT folks have come up with. Anyhow, I hate to bother at this late date because Mountain Lion or whatever it is is coming, and besides all my machines are old.

SO really this is simply about my .mac email. Do I need to start notifying everyone to use a different address for me? The good news is, I don't use it for personal email. The bad news is, I use it for everything else.

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Mr. Curmudgeon, on Mountain Lion.

i had a partition running iCloud synced with Snow Leopard
for Mail to Mail.app and Calendar to iCal.app. This was successful
for many months. Just recently i moved to Lion.

I was not able to find a solution for syncing Addresses to Address Book.app.
What I did for that is mail myself the new contact from
my iOS device to my Mac and then I can import it at that time.

see previous post to a Dmann thread:
info on how to sync to iCloud for Snow Leopard

note: i have two apple ids and do not have any issues with my purchases on iTunes and my iCloud account which is a different email. YMMV.

note2: if you do not have an external drive to set up a separate Lion partition to get the caldav server numbers for iCal setup, you can guess at it. P01, P02, P04, P06, P08.. etc. If the sync does not happen then try a different P0X number. Make sure you change the PUSH option to a minute interval on the iCal account settings.

If you have an original .mac email address mine was P01 and perhaps those earlier accounts are on the early P0X server numbers.. just as a guess..

note3: also i didnt have a workaround to sync Safari bookmarks from iCloud to Snow Leopard...



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You could "never" be stupid.

Thank you, everyone. I have never felt so aggravated with Apple before. Between this and the total lack of interest they have in letting non-Lion users know if the Flashback can affect us, I really feel like an unwanted stepchild these days. But at least you folks are here for me!

(and thank you for the compliment, vision63)

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"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

I mistakenly upgraded mine to see what it was all about, via a Lion partition, back in October. WHAT A MISTAKE.

I lost ALL syncing of the IMPORTANT STUFF as a result — no more Keychains, Mail Accounts, etc.,
the high end security stuff that made making CLEAN INSTALLS a snap - by just re-syncing ONLY
the critical stuff like email configs and keychains (and even cookies, not just bookmarks).

I’m REALLY pissed about that. Because even going back into Snow Leopard, I got the notice that
I upgraded to iCloud, and therefore my previous options were HISTORY.

I’m not sure how they are going to work the whole email thing — they keep saying “you can keep
your email address” — but what does that mean? “You can keep it… it just won’t work!” ??? And if
they are going to let people keep it working, then why in the hell don’t they just OFFER IT?!?

I’m hoping DropBox will come out with the option — I’d PAY for it, to do a proper sync of just those
things listed in the original MobileMe / iDisk-DotMac set-up, because that made nuke/pave so
simple and clean.

No need to re-enter all that shiit… no need to try to import keychains that is NOT a simple process,
nor one that occurs with “Permissions” as per Unix, and you just can’t replace the current file (blank)
with the previous file that you had.

So much LOSS — to gain what? WTF was Steve thinking??? You want to compete and create a cloud,
and make it “better” than all the other offerings? Then make it offer AT LEAST what it already
had — don’t make it LESS than!!

The other thing that’s really pissing me off is losing the iPhoto Gallery, the iWeb posting capability,
and the fact that it is uploading (without ASKING ME, and I can’t turn it off! I can only delete it!) entire
camera offloads, and it is uploading that stuff to iCloud, WHEN PERHAPS I DON’T WANT THE PICS OF
ME AND THE THREE ESCORTS ON THE CLOUD!!

( you wouldn’t either… they were Ford Escorts! Not Las Vegas Escorts! I don’t want people seeing that!!)

I don’t know who or what this whole thing was aimed at — but even fishing into my EyeFi folders and
uploading THE VERY THINGS I CHOSE TO EXCLUDE FROM iPHOTO FOR A REASON, it is grabbing, and
that is also an extremely raw subject for me — especially after I made it NOT the default program for
doing anything unless I manually create those libraries and/or drop the photos into iPhoto.

It even took a 10 minute video I shot, as an inventory of goods for insurance purposes and posted
the damned thing, as if I want THAT out there in public?? And it didn’t ASK? It took it from the EyeFi
Movies Folder (inside Movies) as well as the pics from the EyeFi folder inside the Pictures folder.

The thing is… the only one who has come close to getting it all correct is DropBox. CX.com SUCKS @#$%&,
and SugarSync is the most redundant and retarded application (3 different app launchings to see and do
the same functions, but the links don’t hold, and both of them, CX and Sugar, will dump uploads, and
they vary on what they say the largest file size is… even in Cust Service email. First it’s 2GB, then
unlimited if you pay, which I did for CX, and then it’s down to 1GB even if you DO pay, which clearly was
NOT a problem with DropBox — and their “Camera Beta” — which I uploaded 150 10mpx shots and
3 videos (25 minutes at 1.4GB each - 640x480 from the Nikon/Canon) of carpet fuzz… just to have
3 distinct videos to upload, and DropBox took them all like a champ.

I’ve not been back into iCloud for some time — I just don’t see it having a lot of purpose for me at
this point. I don’t have an iOS device, and this experience isn’t making me WANT to get one. It’s
having the opposite effect, of being willing to spring for a cheap Android just to surf and get email,
and that’s good enough.

MAYBE the iWork Cloud could be useful… but I’d rather have the iLife functionality over that. We can get
GoogleDocs without any cloud bullshiit - just get Gmail. I’d sure like to hear Shiller’s explanation of what
in the hell they are trying to accomplish by REDUCING distinct services that were of SIGNIFICANT ADDED
VALUE to the Macintosh user.

It’s now the #1 selling computer brand… and while it may only be 15% or so of the whole market,
including clones, that’s not the point. There’s more functionality specific to an iPhone that is offered that
is NOT offered to a Mac. So why in the world would they reduce the functionality of the Mac, to be run of
the mill, like everything else?!?

I have to admit that I do not see the point in cutting off all the users who won't/can't upgrade to Lion. They seem to be only interested in people who are going to go buy a brand new computer plus iPhone plus iPad, while those of us who have used Apple since back when it was considered silly to do so can just get kicked to the curb unless we are willing to go buy everything brand new. I am not happy.

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"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

I got Lion last July 20 on day one, and went ahead with the iCloud update as soon as it was out too. I get all emails addressed to my .mac and .me addresses, and didn't lose any. And, I think my keychain stuff stayed intact too, at least everything is there and doesn't look any different from before iCloud.

Having said the above, I too do not like iCloud much. Right about the photos uploading even if you don't want them to. I don't like the cloud business. I just had rather have everything only on my hard drive, except files I want to back up to online. There seems to be a lot I don't get about iCloud - and right, "We don't make junk". iCloud might be getting close, as well as iTunes...

You can’t sync the keychain anymore. Try it.

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I mistakenly upgraded mine to see what it was all about, via a Lion partition, back in October. WHAT A MISTAKE.

I lost ALL syncing of the IMPORTANT STUFF as a result — no more Keychains, Mail Accounts, etc.,
the high end security stuff that made making CLEAN INSTALLS a snap - by just re-syncing ONLY
the critical stuff like email configs and keychains (and even cookies, not just bookmarks).

I’m REALLY pissed about that. Because even going back into Snow Leopard, I got the notice that
I upgraded to iCloud, and therefore my previous options were HISTORY.

I did a clean install of Lion, did all the updates, then imported my user accounts and Snow Leopard settings via Migration Assistant. Everything was as it was on SL. Pretty painless. But my stuff is not complicated. If you have specific higher advanced syncing needs, this might not apply for you.

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The other thing that’s really pissing me off is losing the iPhoto Gallery, the iWeb posting capability,

i too am bummed by losing iWeb hosting. I have to find an alternate by the cut off date. im leaning towards this solution.
mac highway hosting and domain reg
iPhoto Gallery is a great tool and I have not found a suitable alternative. I used it to post higher res photos of stuff im selling on CL it worked like a charm. Ill probably try to use Dropbox for the time being..

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and the fact that it is uploading (without ASKING ME, and I can’t turn it off! I can only delete it!) entire
camera offloads, and it is uploading that stuff to iCloud, WHEN PERHAPS I DON’T WANT THE PICS OF
ME AND THE THREE ESCORTS ON THE CLOUD!!

( you wouldn’t either… they were Ford Escorts! Not Las Vegas Escorts! I don’t want people seeing that!!)

I don’t know who or what this whole thing was aimed at — but even fishing into my EyeFi folders and
uploading THE VERY THINGS I CHOSE TO EXCLUDE FROM iPHOTO FOR A REASON, it is grabbing, and
that is also an extremely raw subject for me — especially after I made it NOT the default program for
doing anything unless I manually create those libraries and/or drop the photos into iPhoto.

It even took a 10 minute video I shot, as an inventory of goods for insurance purposes and posted
the damned thing, as if I want THAT out there in public?? And it didn’t ASK? It took it from the EyeFi
Movies Folder (inside Movies) as well as the pics from the EyeFi folder inside the Pictures folder.

The thing is… the only one who has come close to getting it all correct is DropBox. CX.com SUCKS @#$%&,
and SugarSync is the most redundant and retarded application (3 different app launchings to see and do
the same functions, but the links don’t hold, and both of them, CX and Sugar, will dump uploads, and
they vary on what they say the largest file size is… even in Cust Service email. First it’s 2GB, then
unlimited if you pay, which I did for CX, and then it’s down to 1GB even if you DO pay, which clearly was
NOT a problem with DropBox — and their “Camera Beta” — which I uploaded 150 10mpx shots and
3 videos (25 minutes at 1.4GB each - 640x480 from the Nikon/Canon) of carpet fuzz… just to have
3 distinct videos to upload, and DropBox took them all like a champ.

Im quite positive that the latest updates to Lion and iApps give an option to have Photo Stream disabled for iPhoto and Aperture. I dont have the latest iPhoto, so that option is disabled since I have iLife from 2010.

I thought photostream only took photos not video to the cloud.. I could be wrong since I have not had a chance to see how it works on my machine.

It seems like Apple can't get their online offerings to work properly and competently. It seems with each online/cloud offering Apple takes away functionality. From .Mac to MobileMe we lost some things, and now from MobileMe to iCloud we're losing even more things. I, too, do not understand why Gallery, iWeb hosting and iDisk are going away. They built this huge data center, I would think they now have tons of room for people to store stuff. I still haven't found a good alternative to Gallery. SmugMug and ZangZing come close, but neither has all of the functionality of Gallery.

Allowing iCloud to only be useful with Lion is a contrived limitation. This was shown by the iBook creation application, which could be made to work with Snow leopard. This reminds me of Microsoft, when Windows NT4 came out. The difference between NT4 Workstation and NT4 Server was only a few lines of code, an artificial limitation.

It seems Apple's sole purpose now is to either accellerate the replacement of their computers disregarding the average person who can't afford to get a new computer every few years, or deprecate the usage of computers in lieu of IOS devices. They are doing it by adding artificial hooks in their OS so that older machines can't run newer applications. I guess we can be ::cough, cough:: thankful that they are doing it this way as opposed to lowering the component and build quality of the machines.

This, essentailly is making me distrustful of Apple. I always promoted Apple with friends and colleagues, at work people laughed at me for being the "Mac geek." But now... I'm starting to have my doubts. If it weren't for the slick applications like the iLife suite, iWork suite, Aperture and Final Cut, I'd consider looking at alternatives. Unfortunately the alternatives aren't all that great. Linux, while a rock-solid and open operating system, does not have applications anywhere near the quality of Apple's and Adobe's.

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The other thing that’s really pissing me off is losing the iPhoto Gallery, the iWeb posting capability,
and the fact that it is uploading (without ASKING ME, and I can’t turn it off! I can only delete it!) entire
camera offloads, and it is uploading that stuff to iCloud, WHEN PERHAPS I DON’T WANT THE PICS OF
ME AND THE THREE ESCORTS ON THE CLOUD!!

Im quite positive that the latest updates to Lion and iApps give an option to have Photo Stream disabled for iPhoto and Aperture. I dont have the latest iPhoto, so that option is disabled since I have iLife from 2010.

I thought photostream only took photos not video to the cloud.. I could be wrong since I have not had a chance to see how it works on my machine.

I have never enabled PhotoStream on any of my devices, iPhoto, or Aperture. I have no images or video uploaded. It may have been compulsory at some point, but it isn't now...

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AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future

What bugs me is that only iWork docs get into the cloud...not Word docs etc.

After sleeping on it, I think I am going to write off my dot mac email address as a loss. I've got a gmail address I can start using instead. Jumping through hoops just to keep that email address doesn't make sense to me. My employer uses Google calendar and Google mail so what the heck, iCal can probably take a hike as well.

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After sleeping on it, I think I am going to write off my dot mac email address as a loss. I've got a gmail address I can start using instead. Jumping through hoops just to keep that email address doesn't make sense to me. My employer uses Google calendar and Google mail so what the heck, iCal can probably take a hike as well.

I'm slightly confused. What do you lose by migrating to iCloud? Not all services (iTunes Match, for example) will be available on Snow Leopard, but you can still get your email, sync contacts, etc. Whatever mobileMe services you had, if any, are going to stop this summer. I'm not sure what you stand to lose by moving to iCloud; it certainly seems you could gain.

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rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future

No one should base any commitment to anything that Apple creates. They're only going to keep something around as long as it's useful to them, not you. When they're done with it, they're done with it. I would never rely on iCloud. I would use it, but not fully depend on it. Apple isn't committed to keeping that going forever. There will always be a Yahoo and Gmail. That's the core entry to their entire business model. The only thing I need Apple to do is to keep on making Macintosh desktops and laptops so that I can do my job.

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No one should base any commitment to anything that Apple creates. They're only going to keep something around as long as it's useful to them, not you. When they're done with it, they're done with it. I would never rely on iCloud. I would use it, but not fully depend on it. Apple isn't committed to keeping that going forever. There will always be a Yahoo and Gmail. That's the core entry to their entire business model. The only thing I need Apple to do is to keep on making Macintosh desktops and laptops so that I can do my job.

LOL. Have you checked Yahoo's business model lately? I'm with you on not counting on iCloud forever, but i wouldn't jump right to "We'll always have Prodigy Compuserve Yahoo."

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rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future

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No one should base any commitment to anything that Apple creates. They're only going to keep something around as long as it's useful to them, not you. When they're done with it, they're done with it. I would never rely on iCloud. I would use it, but not fully depend on it. Apple isn't committed to keeping that going forever. There will always be a Yahoo and Gmail. That's the core entry to their entire business model. The only thing I need Apple to do is to keep on making Macintosh desktops and laptops so that I can do my job.

LOL. Have you checked Yahoo's business model lately? I'm with you on not counting on iCloud forever, but i wouldn't jump right to "We'll always have Prodigy Compuserve Yahoo."

Yeah, but they'll just sell the email business if it came down to that. It's still gonna keep going. They'll sell flickr.com and not just abandon it.

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After sleeping on it, I think I am going to write off my dot mac email address as a loss. I've got a gmail address I can start using instead. Jumping through hoops just to keep that email address doesn't make sense to me. My employer uses Google calendar and Google mail so what the heck, iCal can probably take a hike as well.

I'm slightly confused. What do you lose by migrating to iCloud? Not all services (iTunes Match, for example) will be available on Snow Leopard, but you can still get your email, sync contacts, etc. Whatever mobileMe services you had, if any, are going to stop this summer. I'm not sure what you stand to lose by moving to iCloud; it certainly seems you could gain.

The only computer I have with Snow Leopard belongs to my job. Assuming I lose that job or get a new one or something, I'm going to have to give up the iCloud anyhow, so why bother. I can't see being dependent on my employer to supply my personal emails.

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No one should base any commitment to anything that Apple creates. They're only going to keep something around as long as it's useful to them, not you. When they're done with it, they're done with it. I would never rely on iCloud. I would use it, but not fully depend on it. Apple isn't committed to keeping that going forever. There will always be a Yahoo and Gmail. That's the core entry to their entire business model. The only thing I need Apple to do is to keep on making Macintosh desktops and laptops so that I can do my job.

LOL. Have you checked Yahoo's business model lately? I'm with you on not counting on iCloud forever, but i wouldn't jump right to "We'll always have Prodigy Compuserve Yahoo."

Hey, I still have some POTS modems sitting around. I want my Prodigy back...!

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vision63
No one should base any commitment to anything that Apple creates. They're only going to keep something around as long as it's useful to them, not you. When they're done with it, they're done with it. I would never rely on iCloud. I would use it, but not fully depend on it. Apple isn't committed to keeping that going forever. There will always be a Yahoo and Gmail. That's the core entry to their entire business model. The only thing I need Apple to do is to keep on making Macintosh desktops and laptops so that I can do my job.

LOL. Have you checked Yahoo's business model lately? I'm with you on not counting on iCloud forever, but i wouldn't jump right to "We'll always have Prodigy Compuserve Yahoo."

Hey, I still have some POTS modems sitting around. I want my Prodigy back...!

Prodigy. They gave it a shot.