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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 07:34AM |
I download all the time through iTunes. I cut the cable company.
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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 08:16AM |
i got one once for Bored to Death (HBO, again ... hmmm).
deleted the files and emailed them back to that effect. no further contact.
btw, not Comcast.
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deleted the files and emailed them back to that effect. no further contact.
btw, not Comcast.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/18/2012 08:16AM by decay.
| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 08:25AM |
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Nice spying by the MPAA and your ISP. Check upstairs for black helicopters flying overhead ?
The whole purpose of Bitorrent is that the P to P interchange is supposed to be untraceable. Unless you've posted your seed to a tracking site, this letter implies that Comcast is packet sampling. In other words, they are spying on everything everyone does on the internet... at least through their tubes.
CRIPES !
I will say wrong.
What likely happened is that, like other copyright holders, they have a team that also illegally downloads/searches for its own 'stuff' via BT, etc. When you are downloading something though BT, you can use your client to see all of the IP addresses (e.g. many times individuals) that you are connecting to for seeding/leeching.
They simply jot these down and then contact the ISP with the details of the file, time, etc.
BT is really not too anonymous, even despite the routing and encryption that might be utilized, unless you are using a paid BT service that offers a proxy(ies) and/or its own torrent file-format.
| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 09:29AM |
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I thought they go after those who make these files available for download, not after those who download the files
BitTorrent forces a user to upload as s/he downloads. Therefore, the user is making the content available.
Exactly. The question in the OP is completely moot-- doesn't matter what you subscribe to, if you're sharing pieces of the show with hundreds of others for any period of time.
Interesting thought that I had not considered, as I rarely use BT. Uploads start soon after you have enough data to send back. I guess I'll have to stick with Usenet.
| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 10:09AM |
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My question is this - If I subscribe to HBO, would I still be in violation of DMCA for using BitTorrent to download one of their shows?
Yes. You would be in violation of DMCA for using any protocol to download one of their shows. Your subscription to HBO does not grant you access to unencrypted files you can keep in perpetuity. Your access to their media stops when you stop paying the subscription, and it's a bit of a stretch to ask HBO to believe that when you end your subscription, you'll delete all your HBO shows on the 'honor system.'
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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 10:47AM |
Most BT clients let you choose not to upload, but some seeds wont let you download if you're not uploading. Best thing to do is download, then shut the client off. Leaving it up when you're not downloading, or downloading for extended periods of time is going to create issues, especially on Comcrap. And that's what the OP said he did and still got caught. I guess next time make sure the upload rate is capped at something very low, or try having uploads off.
Not really. It's called "time shifting" [en.wikipedia.org] Circumventing copy protection to exercise fair use is an acceptable use, as defined by the DMCA.
The biggest issue the OP faces is the fact they're also likely distributing the content to hundreds or thousands of other people. That's clearly a DMCA violation.
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My question is this - If I subscribe to HBO, would I still be in violation of DMCA for using BitTorrent to download one of their shows?
Yes. You would be in violation of DMCA for using any protocol to download one of their shows. Your subscription to HBO does not grant you access to unencrypted files you can keep in perpetuity. Your access to their media stops when you stop paying the subscription, and it's a bit of a stretch to ask HBO to believe that when you end your subscription, you'll delete all your HBO shows on the 'honor system.'
Not really. It's called "time shifting" [en.wikipedia.org] Circumventing copy protection to exercise fair use is an acceptable use, as defined by the DMCA.
The biggest issue the OP faces is the fact they're also likely distributing the content to hundreds or thousands of other people. That's clearly a DMCA violation.
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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 11:22AM |
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Usenet is great... but only for stuff that's been broadcast recently. If you're looking for something like an episode of something that aired last year, you might have to wait a while for it to just show up. Of course, you can request it.... some groups are better than others as far as filling requests.
I tend to think it's the other way around. If you're using a paid Usenet server with 600+ days of retention along with NZB files, you're more likely to find old stuff than being at the mercy of whomever decides to seed a file on BT.
| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 11:29AM |
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Most BT clients let you choose not to upload, but some seeds wont let you download if you're not uploading. Best thing to do is download, then shut the client off. Leaving it up when you're not downloading, or downloading for extended periods of time is going to create issues, especially on Comcrap. And that's what the OP said he did and still got caught. I guess next time make sure the upload rate is capped at something very low, or try having uploads off.Quote
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My question is this - If I subscribe to HBO, would I still be in violation of DMCA for using BitTorrent to download one of their shows?
Yes. You would be in violation of DMCA for using any protocol to download one of their shows. Your subscription to HBO does not grant you access to unencrypted files you can keep in perpetuity. Your access to their media stops when you stop paying the subscription, and it's a bit of a stretch to ask HBO to believe that when you end your subscription, you'll delete all your HBO shows on the 'honor system.'
Not really. It's called "time shifting" [en.wikipedia.org] Circumventing copy protection to exercise fair use is an acceptable use, as defined by the DMCA.
The biggest issue the OP faces is the fact they're also likely distributing the content to hundreds or thousands of other people. That's clearly a DMCA violation.
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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 12:16PM |
I had this discussion once a long time back re/Napster when I postulated, is it wrong to download the MP3 file if I have the song sitting on a 45 vinyl record in the attic.
| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 18, 2012 02:36PM |
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Most BT clients let you choose not to upload, but some seeds wont let you download if you're not uploading. Best thing to do is download, then shut the client off. Leaving it up when you're not downloading, or downloading for extended periods of time is going to create issues, especially on Comcrap. And that's what the OP said he did and still got caught. I guess next time make sure the upload rate is capped at something very low, or try having uploads off.Quote
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My question is this - If I subscribe to HBO, would I still be in violation of DMCA for using BitTorrent to download one of their shows?
Yes. You would be in violation of DMCA for using any protocol to download one of their shows. Your subscription to HBO does not grant you access to unencrypted files you can keep in perpetuity. Your access to their media stops when you stop paying the subscription, and it's a bit of a stretch to ask HBO to believe that when you end your subscription, you'll delete all your HBO shows on the 'honor system.'
Not really. It's called "time shifting" [en.wikipedia.org] Circumventing copy protection to exercise fair use is an acceptable use, as defined by the DMCA.
The biggest issue the OP faces is the fact they're also likely distributing the content to hundreds or thousands of other people. That's clearly a DMCA violation.
Okay. Time-shifting is kosher. Nonetheless, i think it's a DMCA violation whether the use distributes the content or not. Can someone show me where downloading recorded shows via the internet has been shown to be 'fair use' for time-shifting purposes? Capturing a real-time broadcast for viewing later is not the same as acquiring someone else's recording of a broadcast. It's not legal to download someone else's MP3 versions of CDs that you own. You can rip them yourself, but iTunes Match is only legal because Apple has extensive licensing agreements with the record companies.
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| Re: email from Comcast about BT Date: May 19, 2012 01:04AM |
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Most BT clients let you choose not to upload, but some seeds wont let you download if you're not uploading. Best thing to do is download, then shut the client off. Leaving it up when you're not downloading, or downloading for extended periods of time is going to create issues, especially on Comcrap. And that's what the OP said he did and still got caught. I guess next time make sure the upload rate is capped at something very low, or try having uploads off.Quote
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My question is this - If I subscribe to HBO, would I still be in violation of DMCA for using BitTorrent to download one of their shows?
Yes. You would be in violation of DMCA for using any protocol to download one of their shows. Your subscription to HBO does not grant you access to unencrypted files you can keep in perpetuity. Your access to their media stops when you stop paying the subscription, and it's a bit of a stretch to ask HBO to believe that when you end your subscription, you'll delete all your HBO shows on the 'honor system.'
Not really. It's called "time shifting" [en.wikipedia.org] Circumventing copy protection to exercise fair use is an acceptable use, as defined by the DMCA.
The biggest issue the OP faces is the fact they're also likely distributing the content to hundreds or thousands of other people. That's clearly a DMCA violation.
Okay. Time-shifting is kosher. Nonetheless, i think it's a DMCA violation whether the use distributes the content or not. Can someone show me where downloading recorded shows via the internet has been shown to be 'fair use' for time-shifting purposes? Capturing a real-time broadcast for viewing later is not the same as acquiring someone else's recording of a broadcast. It's not legal to download someone else's MP3 versions of CDs that you own. You can rip them yourself, but iTunes Match is only legal because Apple has extensive licensing agreements with the record companies.
Oops-- I wasn't agreeing with the "time shifting" piece-- I tend to think the "time shifting" piece doesn't apply when the content provider clearly didn't intend to do anything more than allow you to view the show at the scheduled airtime. Not the same as purchasing the specific content.
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