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A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: Tom Cruise
Date: December 12, 2005 01:47AM
I just wanted to publicly apologize to anyone offended or harmed by my actions. I was the individual, under the nom de guerre of "Tom Cruise", who posted at the dealmac forums with links to this site. The link I posted was an image that Carm had posted here. I posted an image because the URL (forums.macresource.com) was being blocked if it was entered as plain text.

For the record:

I posted in thirty threads and then stopped posting. I apologize to any of you that felt like I hijacked your thread; in some cases, I obviously did. I mostly posted randomly but I did target a few threads. I also started one thread in each forum which stayed up for a surprisingly long time in some forums.

I sent out dozens of PMs. I sent these both targeted to certain users and randomly to others. I sent them to people with 6 posts and people with 6000 posts. In order to keep the links from being censored, I used tinyurl to mask the true URL.

I am in no way affiliated with OWC or Carm.


Why?:

I have been at dealchat since day one. I started visiting before there were forums and when dealmac.com went to a porn site (we used deal-mac.com). At that time, dealmac was only Dan and Rich. Trust me to say that over the years, I have spent literally hundreds of hours posting and browsing the forums. I have made thousands of dollars of purchases through dealmac, and I have contributed dozens of deals to them over the years. I was always conscious to make my purchases through their affiliate links even if I was just buying books at amazon. I felt it was a way I could help support the site at no expense to me.

At first, I was disappointed with the format changes but I kept neutral and quiet on the subject and continued to post. But when I observed the Supreme Overlord's (see below*) unmitigated arrogance and lack of respect towards us (the customers/members), I grew from indifferent to indignant. I think that the thread where the Supreme Overlord proclaimed his only regret was "not doing it earlier" was the tipping point for me. I was also dismayed that many forum "apologists" stepped in and started telling other forum members to stop expressing their displeasure at the changes. It is interesting to note that the format change broke up the community physically by separating it into sub-forums, but also philosophically by turning traditionalists and progressives against each other. I do not see this as accidental.

I know some of you will think or say- hey it is dealmac's forum to do with as the please. From a purely business standpoint that is correct. But what truly makes a vibrant forum is the members and the content. To make drastic changes to a public forum without any forethought on how it might affect the members and hence the content is thoughtless at best. When these changes are followed by unapologetic arrogance the result is malevolent. So is the case in point.

My response to this irrational behavior on the part of the Supreme Overlord was to respond, on the surface, irrationally. In other words, I chose intentionally to name myself after a crack-pot, act like a crack-pot and stir the crap-pot. I understood at the time that this would turn some people away, but more importantly, I wanted to create a buzz that would attract attention to an alternative. In that, I believe I succeeded. I did this because I noticed that the polite approach ("private" messages between members) were not effective and in fact were actively being quelled. I meant my approach to be the forum equivalent of picketing a business- a business that I felt operated with no deference to its customers. I yelled at the top of my lungs in front of the store until I was removed for trespassing. So be it. I own neither the store or the land it sits on; I am only one customer with one voice.

I understand why I have been labeled as childish and cowardly. I have in the past posted information via PM that could quite easily lead someone directly to me- think dealmac social gatherings. So as a precaution, I chose anonymity. While the forum issue is important to my online existence, it in no way should effect my offline life. To continue my analogy, I wouldn't picket in front of a business with my drivers license pinned to my chest either.


*Technically, I have quite a bit of respect for Brian Moon. I consider phorum software to be the best forum code available. I also respect that he chose to make it available as open source. For those of you that may not know, phorum is Brian's baby, see: [66.102.7.104] (thanks Carm). But as the creator of the software, it was no mistake that he chose to give himself the title of "Supreme Overlord". This can not be explained away as a silly "default" setting when he himself was the one that decided what the default was. It is this arrogance that will eventually come home to roost in one way or another.

If you feel the desire to contact Brian's boss his name is Dan deGrandpre. His pseudo-bio is freely available via google: [www.google.com] His email is (shown as an image to fool spambots). I hope that any of you that have the desire to contact Dan, will do so.


My hope for the future is that this forum will continue on and flourish as the best resource on the web for mac users.


Insanely yours-

Tom Cruise

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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Anonymous User
Date: December 12, 2005 02:04AM


Apology accepted.

Carm
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: bangman
Date: December 12, 2005 02:04AM
It's cool reading about the "before time" in the "long, long ago."

Apology accepted.



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3GHz - The clock is STILL ticking Steve.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: bangman
Date: December 12, 2005 02:06AM
BTW your Oprah sig is messing up my rig.



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3GHz - The clock is STILL ticking Steve.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: MacMagus
Date: December 12, 2005 02:18AM
What I'd like to know is this: Who decided to "purge" the dissenters?

Was it Brian, Dan or someone else?
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: mikebw
Date: December 12, 2005 03:14AM
For what it's worth- I had no idea any of this was going on. My mini-boycott of the Dealmac forum left me comfortably unaware that people were really getting upset about the switch to a new forum. I just checked my private messages one day and saw we had a new forum, so I left and here I am now.

I appreciate your efforts however, and those of others, to notify everyone of the new digs, otherwise it might not have become as successful. And really, it seems to me like Moon had it coming, with no personal disrespect, but to the dealmac forum, I don't think many people really care now about the threads being posted there. So what if you 'hijack' a few? It's not like YOU are the one deleting posts and filtering URL's.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: Linda2
Date: December 12, 2005 05:04AM
I am grateful to you for posting the link to this forum. It feels just like home.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: CJsNvrUrly
Date: December 12, 2005 05:42AM
I found this forum because of your multiple posts and am happy to have a new home. (Afterward, I tried to find it through OWC's home page and couldn't.) You don't owe me an apology. I owe you thanks.

For those who were offended by your actions, however, your apology is eloquent and concise. You done good, Tom.

PS - Love the Tom/Oprah sig!




bunny smileyCentral VA
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: steve_
Date: December 12, 2005 06:59AM
When I clicked on your PM at DM, I had to laugh because the new window had a dealmac banner advertising a Tom Cruise DVD!

Nice sig, CJsNvrUrly. I have the hat by itself on a transparent background if anyone wants it.













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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: rgG
Date: December 12, 2005 08:18AM
Oh Tom,
I'm sure it wasn't all your fault. But, I forgive you, too. ;0





Roswell, GA (Atlanta suburb)
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: December 12, 2005 08:25AM
Just claim you were off your meds .... no wait - that won't work.



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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: spearmint
Date: December 12, 2005 08:30AM
So for Brian providing you years of entertainment you thought you would pay him back with that stunt? It also reflected poorly on the people running this site. I know I assumed it came from them at first. Using a new name to protect your identity is pretty cool too.




Da Good Life
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Refugee
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: December 12, 2005 08:35AM
It's a difficult situation for many. I don't consider myself a dissenter, but my presence here may be seen as that. I owe a lot to the gang at DealChat -- they helped me and my family through a very very difficult time recently. For those who don't know, pRON and Brian were instrumental in helping gather (and later free up) money to help my family in those first few terrible weeks after Katrina. The money came from my fellow dealchatters -- who, I think it's safe to assume, can be found here in large numbers.

And thanks, Tom, for the PM; wouldn't have found this as soon without it. Here's to peace on earth and goodwill towards men, no matter where they post.



(BTW, it's spelled < y'all >.)
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: mick e
Date: December 12, 2005 08:49AM
You are in a tough spot Ralph. While pRON was the driving force behind the direct assistance, DealMac was incredibly generous with the Tsunami and Hurricane relief overall.

mick e thinks that Dan is probably a good egg, but is unfortunately is dragged down by some codegeek with a Napoleon complex. It is very unfortunate.

It's good to have you here though, Ralphieboy!






Unpaid Social Liaison
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: Jack D.
Date: December 12, 2005 09:00AM
I just want to say that I was one of those that got a PM with the [***********.com] links. I also couldn't contact the sender because he got "disappeared" before I could get back to him. These cullings are not the actions of a normal person and certainly do not reflect well on a business that supposedly values it's customers. No matter what Brian states to the contrary, we ALL earn him money!

>So for Brian providing you years of entertainment you thought you would pay him back with that stunt?

Spearmint, in fairness I only ask you the opposite: For Tom (and the rest of us) providing Brian with years of referals, traffic, advertiser support and cash from clicking and buying through his links he would repay that loyalty with *BANNED*?

I'm usually pretty nuetral around here (there!) when it comes to stirrin' the crap but I feel very strongly that Brian has crossed the line of fairness and insulted *all* of us with his lack of respect.

This is a free country and you are each entitled to your own opinions. I'm just not used to being worried that what I say or think will get me sent to the Gulag or be subject to censorship just because another individual doesn't like my thought process. Brians actions are too much like those of a paranoid government.

-End Rant-




- Jack D.




New tasteless sig coming soon!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2005 09:48AM by Jack D..
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: MGS_forgot_password
Date: December 12, 2005 09:12AM
The Oprah thing is hysterical
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 12, 2005 09:18AM
Tom. . .Tom. . .Tom. . .you're being glib.

You don't know the history of apologies. . .I do.

winking smiley

Seriously though. . .apology accepted.

Thanks for at least taking the time to xplain. . .
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: ArtP
Date: December 12, 2005 11:22AM
I am another who found this forum via your post. Thank you.

I am glad you posted Dan's e-mail address. I was wondering how he felt about the whole forum shake up thing. I know that some of the good deals came from posts in the forum first.

I was thinking on how the forum affected traffic on the site as a whole. With a good forum, time spent in the dealmac universe HOURS, now since people are coming to this forum minutes (scan the front deal page, peek at the first few posts on one or two of the multiple forums... then gOODBYE!)

Traffic must be going down for sure.

Thanks again Tom
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: Phy
Date: December 12, 2005 12:01PM
It was through the TC image/link that I found this place, and am grateful, Tom! No apologies necessary here.

It is comforting to see here the same names of those who helped me through so many technical problems when I first came up DMF as a newbie and who have been so incredibly generous with time (and money) to others.

Many thanks to Carm, who gave me such wise advice those last days and hours at DMF!
Phy
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: rob banzai
Date: December 12, 2005 12:04PM
I'm glad you apologized. I was one of the people who was really annoyed by the spam on dealchat.

I don't know who you are but I had the feeling you must've been another old-timer in order to go so overboard. smiling smiley

Is there a reason you can't come out from behind your new nickname and just let it all hang out?
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 12, 2005 12:19PM
being a big celebrity, I think he likes his privacy. . .

winking smiley

(and fear of being stoned and other retribution. . .probably. . .)
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: honu
Date: December 12, 2005 12:41PM
What makes you guys think Brian did this all on his lonesome? He doesn't own DealMac/PC/News/whatever. Maybe look a little higher up and put some, or all, of the blame on Dan.

Just a thought.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: SteveO
Date: December 12, 2005 01:05PM
I was not offended, but thanks for the thoughtfulness.

I can't say that I WOULD have been offended, either...but this is because since the forum change over there, I have cut my time there to maybe 1/10th of what it was pre-change.

I applaud dm for at last putting up a political discussion/whatever thread(s), but the rest of the forum separation is just too time-consuming to wade through...all egos, drama and personalities aside from the issue, TIME IS THE ISSUE.

With censorship/unnecessarily pulled items coming in second...a somewhat distant second for me.

Big deal, life goes on.
Thanks for the new forum, Larry and Co. I am already enjoying it.
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: DavidS
Date: December 12, 2005 03:06PM
I had already bookmarked Tempe's new site, but found this one thanks to "Tom". I thought all the posts were kinda funny and was curious how long they'd last.

I had this site bookmarked at home, but not at work. Since I couldn't find the address anymore on DM, I posted a request for it on Macinforum this morning. Of all people, Tempe promptly posted the correct directions here. That's how it should be. We are all one community, not "our forum" against "their forum" Too idealistic? Maybe. I won't quote Rodney King, that's already been done.

Happy to be here,
DavidS
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: PeterB
Date: December 12, 2005 04:21PM
I applaud your intent, but not your actions... you did manage to PO a lot of people at the other place, when it wasn't really necessary. At the same time, there might not have been any other way to do it, given the actions taken at the other place...

And besides which, shouldn't your public apology really relate to your awful treatment of Brooke Shields?
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: SteveO
Date: December 12, 2005 04:29PM
Hey, give the guy a break, eh? He started a thread TO APOLOGIZE. Stop beating him up already. Sheesh!

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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: h'
Date: December 12, 2005 04:50PM
1) What honu said
2) Apologies from anonymous cowards are worthless
3) This is waaaaaaay too important to you



I suffer from the same sensitivity that you do. A few nuggets of wisdom were shared with me and I'm "trying" to incorporate them into my life. First, remember that nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them. You can always reject what is being forced on you emotionally.
Second, nothing changes unless you change it. If you don't want the behavior to be repeated then you need to take action. Otherwise the kid has learned that his behavior is the way to get things done, because everyone lets him get away with it.
In the meantime I sympathize because I've been there.
-beerman
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Re: A public apology from Tom Cruise.
Posted by: SteveO
Date: December 12, 2005 05:25PM
Says you.
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