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Anti-virus software
Posted by: WishMac
Date: August 15, 2012 11:30AM
Wanted to ask what is the recommended or most popular anti virus software to purchase for a Mac desktop and laptop.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: August 15, 2012 11:42AM
Hi WishMac - welcome to the forum

Here are a couple recent threads to get you started.

[forums.macresource.com]

[forums.macresource.com]



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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: kj4btkljv
Date: August 15, 2012 12:08PM
ClamXav, and it's free.

[www.clamxav.com]

Jeff
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: August 15, 2012 12:23PM
One thing we should point out;

Historically, the Mac OS has NOT been subject to many viruses.... actually, I think the current count is "zero".

So though it's a good idea (because this record will probably NOT last forever), it's not a critical-immediate need. It's more useful to keep you from inadvertantly passing along Windows affecting viruses to PC using people you may interact with.

Take some time to test a few of the free ones, and see which ones annoy you least while doing their job.

I like Sophos home edition (which is also free).


And welcome!



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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: August 15, 2012 02:06PM
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WishMac
Wanted to ask what is the recommended or most popular anti virus software to purchase for a Mac desktop and laptop.

You've already got it. It's OS X. Congrats!

[www.apple.com]

Its efficacy at protecting your system is evidenced by (as Paul mentioned) the utter lack of in-the-wild viruses and other forms of malware.



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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: JEBB
Date: August 15, 2012 03:33PM
If there are no known Mac viruses what is an antivirus going to protect you against?
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: michaelb
Date: August 15, 2012 03:40PM
I don't have a recommendation, since I should do something myself. I have something free but it isn't running currently.

But I think it is misleading for some on this forum to suggest that Macs are no longer vulerable. There have been several malware attacks on Macs over this past year, and they no longer require admin and password authentication to install or infect. So while software "viruses" may be a small or nonexistent threat, malicious code on websites or inside downloaded files is very much a real threat now.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 15, 2012 06:08PM
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michaelb
But I think it is misleading for some on this forum to suggest that Macs are no longer vulerable. There have been several malware attacks on Macs over this past year, and they no longer require admin and password authentication to install or infect. So while software "viruses" may be a small or nonexistent threat, malicious code on websites or inside downloaded files is very much a real threat now.

Ding, ding, ding.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: August 15, 2012 07:24PM
It's free and unobtrusive...Sophos Anti-Virus for Mac
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: August 15, 2012 07:43PM
Sophos - definitely a step or three above the others right now.



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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: August 16, 2012 09:20AM
After the last executable scare, I installed Sophos (the free version) on my two Macs. So far it hasn't done anything that I can tell, but I guess that's good.

/Mr Lynn



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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 16, 2012 11:53AM
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silvarios
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michaelb
But I think it is misleading for some on this forum to suggest that Macs are no longer vulerable. There have been several malware attacks on Macs over this past year, and they no longer require admin and password authentication to install or infect. So while software "viruses" may be a small or nonexistent threat, malicious code on websites or inside downloaded files is very much a real threat now.

Ding, ding, ding.

Do any of these Virus protection products prevent some undiscovered new threat from occurring? Or do they require an update after the fact to remove an infection or prevent an uninfected system from being infected?

If it's the latter, then how does that differ from what Apple has been doing?

It seemed like the bulk of what these products report are word macro viruses, or windows executables in SPAM emails. Maybe that gives users a warm feeling that the product does SOMETHING, but those things are not improving the security of the system.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: August 16, 2012 12:21PM
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GGD
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silvarios
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michaelb
But I think it is misleading for some on this forum to suggest that Macs are no longer vulerable. There have been several malware attacks on Macs over this past year, and they no longer require admin and password authentication to install or infect. So while software "viruses" may be a small or nonexistent threat, malicious code on websites or inside downloaded files is very much a real threat now.

Ding, ding, ding.

Do any of these Virus protection products prevent some undiscovered new threat from occurring? Or do they require an update after the fact to remove an infection or prevent an uninfected system from being infected?

If it's the latter, then how does that differ from what Apple has been doing?

It seemed like the bulk of what these products report are word macro viruses, or windows executables in SPAM emails. Maybe that gives users a warm feeling that the product does SOMETHING, but those things are not improving the security of the system.

Here's the features page for Sophos Anti-Virus for Mac, you be the judge.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 16, 2012 12:49PM
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DewGuy
Here's the features page for Sophos Anti-Virus for Mac, you be the judge.

That seems like a bunch of fear based marketing, with not much technical info on what it is actually capable of doing. In fact it has many of the same traits as a Trojan Horse, just install this free software on your computer, giving it admin access, and it will do good things for you, trust us.

Is there anyone here that is using it with first hand experience of it catching a Mac virus (not flagging things that only impact Windows) when running on a Mac with all Apple software/security updates installed. If so, exactly what was the threat that it caught?
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 16, 2012 01:03PM
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GGD
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DewGuy
Here's the features page for Sophos Anti-Virus for Mac, you be the judge.

That seems like a bunch of fear based marketing, with not much technical info on what it is actually capable of doing. In fact it has many of the same traits as a Trojan Horse, just install this free software on your computer, giving it admin access, and it will do good things for you, trust us.

Wow! No need to reply here. I don't run Sophos either, but wow! Likening Sophos to a Trojan when it does exactly what it says it will do. How can one begin to reply constructively?
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: silvarios
Date: August 16, 2012 01:06PM
Why the harping on viruses when it also protects again Trojans and worms? I would love for it to stop rootkits as well, but that feature seems absent.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: GGD
Date: August 16, 2012 01:46PM
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silvarios
Wow! No need to reply here. I don't run Sophos either, but wow! Likening Sophos to a Trojan when it does exactly what it says it will do. How can one begin to reply constructively?

I'm not saying that it is, just that it asking users to do exactly what it's saying is the type of bad behavior that it's trying to protect them against.

Do you use it? Has it actually caught anything on a fully updated system?

That's what I'm trying to understand? If you put two identical fully updated Macs side by side, one with Sophos and one without, how many real world examples can you show (assuming a user with about the same savvy as the typical member of this forum, not a total idiot), where the unprotected system will be successfully attacked, while the Sophos system will not?
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: August 16, 2012 01:56PM
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silvarios
Wow! No need to reply here. I don't run Sophos either, but wow! Likening Sophos to a Trojan when it does exactly what it says it will do. How can one begin to reply constructively?

I'm not saying that it is, just that it asking users to do exactly what it's saying is the type of bad behavior that it's trying to protect them against.

Do you use it? Has it actually caught anything on a fully updated system?

That's what I'm trying to understand? If you put two identical fully updated Macs side by side, one with Sophos and one without, how many real world examples can you show (assuming a user with about the same savvy as the typical member of this forum, not a total idiot), where the unprotected system will be successfully attacked, while the Sophos system will not?

I don't think anyone here has that answer, but after seeing that there were something like 600,000 Macs infected with that Java thing (whatever the proper name for it was, I can't remember), which I didn't have, I decided that I didn't want to unknowingly infect my Mac with whatever comes along next that may get past my due dilligence. At least with Sophos, I feel like someone who understands all this malware crap is looking out for me and hopefully will interecede on my behalf when I don't know enough to protect against whatever it might be.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: michaelb
Date: August 16, 2012 02:25PM
Little snitch may be better overall for monitoring for some of these threats, but that costs money. I may buy it in the end. Sophos and other software may help with web based malware, but it is not that clear how much. Apple was real slow to react to the threats this year, taking weeks or months to issue a patch. So the virus software may be updated much, much faster.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: August 16, 2012 02:45PM
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michaelb
Little snitch may be better overall for monitoring for some of these threats, but that costs money. I may buy it in the end. Sophos and other software may help with web based malware, but it is not that clear how much. Apple was real slow to react to the threats this year, taking weeks or months to issue a patch. So the virus software may be updated much, much faster.

I wouldn't know what to look for with something like Little Snitch. How much value programs like Sophos have is yet to be proven for most of us, but I do know that it's frequently downloading updates. In the case of the Java threat (for lack of a better word) I know they had information and if I remember correctly removal instructions (and maybe even a tool) long before Apple was even acknowledging that it existed, let alone that it was a threat and had infected many Macs or had a fix available for Java. Up until recently I went with the party line that Macs don't get infected and never ran any anti-virus software, but I think that the Java thing has proven that our platform can be vulnerable and with the increased popularity of Macs that may become more common. Outside of when Sophos is downloading updates (my DSL's not very fast) I never even notice it's running so I figure better safe than sorry.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: August 16, 2012 03:29PM
Does Sophos have a scheduled scan option? I don't see the option.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: August 16, 2012 04:04PM
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mrlynn
Does Sophos have a scheduled scan option? I don't see the option.

/Mr Lynn

Go to the Sophos Icon in the menu bar, click Open Sophos Anti-Virus... on the bottom left side of the window click the triangle next to Custom Scans here you can create a custom scan as well as schedule it.
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Re: Anti-virus software
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: August 16, 2012 04:06PM
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michaelb
But I think it is misleading for some on this forum to suggest that Macs are no longer vulerable. There have been several malware attacks on Macs over this past year, and they no longer require admin and password authentication to install or infect. So while software "viruses" may be a small or nonexistent threat, malicious code on websites or inside downloaded files is very much a real threat now.

Ding, ding, ding.

Do any of these Virus protection products prevent some undiscovered new threat from occurring? Or do they require an update after the fact to remove an infection or prevent an uninfected system from being infected?

Ding, ding, ding.

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It seemed like the bulk of what these products report are word macro viruses, or windows executables in SPAM emails. Maybe that gives users a warm feeling that the product does SOMETHING, but those things are not improving the security of the system.

Yep.
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