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IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 08:16PM
Part one:
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Working fine wirelessly here. Next step-- make accessible from internet.
Do I have to have it uploading to an ftp server or is there another way?
Don't worry about providing info at too basic a level- not possible here...

(Secondary problems-- can't figure out how to get it seen by Security Spy or EvoCam...)



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: decay
Date: August 19, 2012 08:21PM
try [www.no-ip.com] to set up a free forwarding address for the cam.

i used this when i ran the baby dove webcam earlier this summer.

old thread;
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: John B.
Date: August 19, 2012 08:23PM
Do you mean accessible as in "I want to open a browser anywhere I have an internet connection and be able to see my camera"?

If so, first you need a routable Internet address or a fully qualified domain name. Routable internet address would be a "static IP" which may or may not be available from your ISP at an additional cost. FQDN would be using a service such as DynDNS to tie a domain name to your router and have it stick with the router any time the IP address from your ISP changes. OK, after you've done that, the Internet knows where to find your camera.

Next you'll need to open a port (for example, Port 80) on your router and set up a rule on the router that forwards any traffic looking for that port to the internal IP address you set up in part one.

The end result would be that you're out on the web, and you type something like black.dyndns.org:80 into your browser, and the Internet knows to send traffic to your router (identified by DynDNS), and then your router knows that anything destined for Port 80 goes to the specific internal (non-routable) address of your camera.

Clear as mud?
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 08:47PM
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John B.
Do you mean accessible as in "I want to open a browser anywhere I have an internet connection and be able to see my camera"?

If so, first you need a routable Internet address or a fully qualified domain name. Routable internet address would be a "static IP" which may or may not be available from your ISP at an additional cost. FQDN would be using a service such as DynDNS to tie a domain name to your router and have it stick with the router any time the IP address from your ISP changes. OK, after you've done that, the Internet knows where to find your camera.

Next you'll need to open a port (for example, Port 80) on your router and set up a rule on the router that forwards any traffic looking for that port to the internal IP address you set up in part one.

The end result would be that you're out on the web, and you type something like black.dyndns.org:80 into your browser, and the Internet knows to send traffic to your router (identified by DynDNS), and then your router knows that anything destined for Port 80 goes to the specific internal (non-routable) address of your camera.

Clear as mud?

Yup, clear as mud. thanks.
Do I need to purchase a plan such as the $20 one here:
[dyn.com]

Not sure how to figure out whether Comcast offers a static IP.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: John B.
Date: August 19, 2012 08:56PM
You could probably use the free plan from decay's post.

I have a static IP at a business property I own, with my local ISP I had to upgrade to a business account to get the static IP...same service, just costs more than a residential plan, and they had to use a bridgeable modem.

Long story short, with a static IP and some port forwarding configuration on the router, I have a computer at home watching the 16 surveillance cameras at my business property.
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 08:59PM
I appreciate your willingness to share what you've learned...
I did sing up w/ no-ip, with the remote hope that it would be somehow clear what to do from there... the application from no-ip needs to be filled in with hosts-- not sure what to do.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: John B.
Date: August 19, 2012 09:35PM
That just made me think of another thing with the dynamic dns providers (like no-ip, dyndns). Some router/firewall/security appliance vendors have preferred deals with different providers. My security appliances have a deal with dyndns and one other provider. Using them, you can go into your router config and tell it you have an account with xyz dynamic dns provider and the router and provider will stay in sync so that you can be "found" on the Internet. The older approach was that the provider would give you a piece of software to install on your computer, and it would "phone home" every couple of days to keep you in sync.

For their hosts deal you're probably going to need to look at their help screen, but I'm 90% sure your little webcam is going to want to be accessed via port 80 and most likely that can't be changed, so you're probably looking at port 80 redirect.
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 09:43PM
Looks like there may be some options here but I'm way not in the same universe with knowing what to do with them.





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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 19, 2012 09:45PM
Do you want to share it with the world ? Or just yourself. If just you, think of a VNC type arrangement instead ?
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 09:48PM
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cbelt3
Do you want to share it with the world ? Or just yourself. If just you, think of a VNC type arrangement instead ?

I don't care. If others want to view this boring-@#$%& cam more power to them. Just as long as whatever I do doesn't make my network more vulnerable to intrusion.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 19, 2012 09:59PM
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Black
I don't care. If others want to view this boring-@#$%& cam more power to them. Just as long as whatever I do
doesn't make my network more vulnerable to intrusion.

what @#$%& is this camera pointed at?
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: hal
Date: August 19, 2012 11:29PM
My god... the only thing more frustrating than setting this up would be seeing hooligans messing with your house while you're at work, calling the cops and watch them not showing up until it's too late...

I appreciate your going though all of this - now I KNOW that I don't want it bad enough to do the same...
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Fred_Also
Date: August 19, 2012 11:32PM
On EvoCam under the EvoCam menu, select Network Cameras.

Enter a name for the camera & the ip address of the camera. Then use the pull down to select the camera Brand & Model. Enter User name & password.

Then under File, New - a new window opens up - then select New item from toolbar & select Camera Item and then select the camera you named above.

From there you can make adjustments to size, etc.

Simple isn't it?

Fred
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 11:32PM
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hal
My god... the only thing more frustrating than setting this up would be seeing hooligans messing with your house while you're at work, calling the cops and watch them not showing up until it's too late...

I appreciate your going though all of this - now I KNOW that I don't want it bad enough to do the same...

Well, hopefully I'll be able to help you, once I get it figured out.
Right now I would describe my place in the learning curve as "somebody tell me what to do next."



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 19, 2012 11:41PM
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Fred_Also
On EvoCam under the EvoCam menu, select Network Cameras.

Enter a name for the camera & the ip address of the camera. Then use the pull down to select the camera Brand & Model. Enter User name & password.

Then under File, New - a new window opens up - then select New item from toolbar & select Camera Item and then select the camera you named above.

From there you can make adjustments to size, etc.

Simple isn't it?

Fred

Thanks-- can't get it to work. Maybe something about the way I'm entering the "path?" Wish there was some sort of example.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Speedy
Date: August 19, 2012 11:46PM
After two topics and multiple posts, sit down before you read this:

It may finally be necessary to read the manual.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 20, 2012 12:55AM
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Speedy
After two topics and multiple posts, sit down before you read this:

It may finally be necessary to read the manual.

I'd sooner ask a clerk where something is in the grocery store.



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: John B.
Date: August 20, 2012 06:02PM
OK, Black, just browsing now but will return later.

On the first screenshot, you probably can find a "web hosting" or similar on the pull-down menu of well-known applications. You're looking to open Port 80, which is the standard web server port...since you're not specifying a port in your browser after you point to the IP address of your camera, I'm assuming it's talking on Port 80.

On the second screenshot, it looks like your router knows how to communicate with several DDNS providers, but no-ip is not one of them. So if you want the router to keep in contact with a DNS provider that can let outside (not on your network) computers find your router over the internet, you probably want to see if one of the providers on your router's list has a free account option.

Again, you want a FQDN (fully qualified domain name) or static IP address to get to your router from the Internet, and then opening a port to get through the router to your camera. If you're enabling Port 80, you should ultimately be able to surf to www.blacksaccount.whateverDDNSprovider.com and get to your camera. If you set up a port other than 80, it would resolve as www.blacksaccount.whateverDDNSprovider.com:portnumber
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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 20, 2012 10:40PM
Thanks. I'm gonna try to solve this tonight.
Do I have to use one of the exact domains shown in the router pulldown?
I don't know exactly what "open a port" means...



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Re: IP cam setup part two:
Posted by: Black
Date: August 21, 2012 01:33AM
Found some help on another forum and I'm all set up-- thanks!



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Black . . . ?
Posted by: WHiiP
Date: August 21, 2012 06:26AM
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Black
Found some help on another forum and I'm all set up-- thanks!

What forum, please?



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Re: Black . . . ?
Posted by: Black
Date: August 21, 2012 12:23PM
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WHiiP
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Black
Found some help on another forum and I'm all set up-- thanks!

What forum, please?

A bicycle forum.



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