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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: May 03, 2013 04:53PM
I had to think a minute - ah, no, just leave it. I don't think I've ever posted anything as OT here, but remember it from DealMac. I just figured that those who used it here thought it was kind of mandatory like there.

And, I think as OS C has matured and people aren't having as many issues, we don't need so many OS tips and help anymore. I kind of like coming here and learning what's the best brakes for my truck, etc., etc. Not to mention Hal's great photos!



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: michaelb
Date: May 03, 2013 05:09PM
I think the main forum is doing just fine, and adding organization would ruin that. So like everyone else, please don't change that.

I don't really have a problem with the political side. i do go there and I do read some of the posts and occasionally post there. I do think subjectively the quality of the trolling has gone down over the past 6 months, so maybe this is in response to that. I don't really think there is any solution, other than community policing.

Thanks for hosting the forum. I do think we would rip OWC for problems just like we would have and always ripped into anyone and everyone else, in pursuit of the best mac related deals. So having it here enhances your credibility as a seller, and does encourage folks to buy from you. So you are getting some value.

To me the collapse of DM was primarily about their desire to compete with Fat Wallet. DM may or may not have been first, or at least the first best computer deal related site. But I tend to think a lot of the changes that destroyed the forum was motivate by their desire to continue to make money off the deal related side (which used to be great). So the censorship related to posting links to other sites, including FW and appleswitch and probably others, led to the implosion.
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 03, 2013 05:14PM
I agree with others that the DMF collapse was almost entirely due to going to sub-forums.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: RoadToad
Date: May 03, 2013 05:17PM
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 03, 2013 05:18PM
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.

i think checking in counts as a 'view.' i've checked back a number of times.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: May 03, 2013 05:19PM
Keep it as-is, I get my current events here and pretty much nowhere else. Mrs Zealand gets her current events from me from here.

Are you gonna cut me off after being my pusher for 6 years, are ya??

And keep the nutty side. I don't go there often and am not sure I've ever posted there but always enjoy lurking when I do. I don't block a user's posts because even the crazy ones are good practice for counter arguments or at least some good nyah-nyah name calling.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: max
Date: May 03, 2013 05:24PM
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hal
"Honestly - if people just learned to use that ignore button when they consistently don't like what another member's positions are, be a lot less issue."

This assumes a certain uniformity of people that just isn't a reality. There are ALL KINDS of folks. Some find it VERY hard to ignore posts.

I'd love it if the ignore function was a good deal stronger. You can't not see thread started by ignored posters - those are still visible even when place on 'ignore'.

But I strongly feel that you need the outlet of the FPR (Friendly' Political Ranting) to keep that angst from creeping into the main area. Larry, you see this as one good forum with a sponsor and one bad forum that only eats resources with no sponsor. I think it should be seen as one single entity.

BUT if you want to be rid of the FPR - it's your sandbox... do it and be done with it. The world will still spin. We'll get on with life.

PS - about there being lots of other outlets for that kind of activity... that's not at all how the FPR people look at it. We see it as absolutely unique - it's a forum populated by many 'friends' that have been hanging out together for well over 10 years. Every other political forum is much larger and populated with people we don't know.

There is that other place, remember, same 10 year old friends....
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 03, 2013 05:27PM
There's currently a second sticky asking a question, or seeking a vote yet both are disabled.

So ...

Yes I sometimes post to the Political Side but wouldn't miss it if it disappeared.

I gathered from the earlier thing posted here by Larry that it acted as a sink to keep political talk out of the rest. A necessary evil that drains resources.

OK, I get that and can't disagree. But one thing to consider might be implementing time limits, as has been mentioned. You only get to post once a day. Or once every few hours. Or whatever. Discourage posting there but not entirely. Just enough to be used as sink. Easier to moderate. Low traffic to need bandwidth/server space for. M A V I C's had some interesting suggestions above regarding all of this, too.
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: May 03, 2013 05:40PM
imho:
bad idea, very bad idea...





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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 03, 2013 05:47PM
Hmm. I'm personally very active on the political side and this. And a regular OWC customer. I agree with the idea of keeping the politics over there. Is the resource issue one of mods, bandwidth , or hosting cost? Keep in mind that this side often ends up on google search top ranking , which drives traffic to OWC as well. I wonder what your stats are on clickthroughs from the Phorum ?
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:03PM
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cbelt3
Hmm. I'm personally very active on the political side and this. And a regular OWC customer. I agree with the idea of keeping the politics over there. Is the resource issue one of mods, bandwidth , or hosting cost? Keep in mind that this side often ends up on google search top ranking , which drives traffic to OWC as well. I wonder what your stats are on clickthroughs from the Phorum ?

I don't know that I necessarily have a right to these answers, as we're effectively asking a business to let us look through the ledgers-- but I am also not getting very far in understanding what resources we're talking about here, or what is meant by "sponsors," or why the sudden need for changes. You guys all chose to move to a commercially sponsored site, and the owner of that site has the exclusive right to decide what lives and what dies. Would be nice though, if the situation is simply that the owner wants to can the "ranting" side because he doesn't like it, that that could just be communicated in simple terms.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: dmann
Date: May 03, 2013 06:06PM
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Pam
I'm another who wants it left the same. If I could change anything I'd want threads started by ignored users to not show up in the thread listing.

This. Yes.

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:12PM
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dmann
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Pam
I'm another who wants it left the same. If I could change anything I'd want threads started by ignored users to not show up in the thread listing.

This. Yes.

DM

Things currently work reasonably well because sound decisions have been made.
Take away the "ranting" forum and you have political fights erupting in the 'tips' forum.
Have threads from ignored users hidden*, and people start posting duplicate threads, and then arguing about whether it should be pointed out that a thread is a duplicate, and then it becomes about who has who on ignore, etc.
I would hope the forum management cares enough, and understands these things well enough to not go down that road.


*I don't think this is possible in phorum, and I doubt anyone's going to devote any resources to tweaking the MR/F forum software from here on out.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: May 03, 2013 06:13PM
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Black
I am also not getting very far in understanding what resources we're talking about here, or what is meant by "sponsors," or why the sudden need for changes.

I think a few things Larry has said might help answer your questions:
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OWC Larry
That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... [...] it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.

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OWC Larry
it's not monetary... That being said, we're supporting the 'main forum' as a sponsor, but the politcal side drains resources from our support that could go to the main forum.

Sounds like mod resources is a big issue. As far as "sponsor", I noticed this board has a "sponsored by OWC" at the top right, whereas the political side does not.

Not sure if the need for change is "sudden" or not.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: May 03, 2013 06:16PM
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M A V I C
My opinion on this:
1. We don't have the amount of traffic where splitting boards is needed

Agreed.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: dmann
Date: May 03, 2013 06:16PM
OWC Larry,
I like this place and want to see it continue. That said, I feel strongly that it should NOT be a drain on your business.

The "other" side holds absolutely no appeal for me, but I would be happy to pay an annual membership fee that covers MRF as a whole. You can direct the resources as you see fit.

Of course, I am speaking only for myself.

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: May 03, 2013 06:17PM
WHAT!? You mean there is another forum besides this one???? I never noticed...


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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: davester
Date: May 03, 2013 06:18PM
I probably spend more time on the political side than on the tips and deals side, and I find it stimulating and valuable because I learn a lot of things about what other people are thinking across the country (and in other countries). I have never seen another forum as good as this one when it comes to discussions of political topics. I would probably end up drifting away from the forum in general if the political forum was axed.

Larry mentioned that there were other more appropriate political forums but I sure haven't ever seen any. The news site forums are populated by completely belligerent crazies. The political forum here has some very engaging and mature discussions mixed with the crazy stuff...something I haven't seen elsewhere.

That said, there are some posters on the political side who are completely nutso and whose obvious sole purpose is to try to tick people off (i.e. they are "trolls"), and I just know that they cause problems for the moderators. I would guess that those posters are a very small fraction of the posting population and I would be happy to see them axed if they are the cause of excessive effort by the moderators. Why not do that? Three strikes and you're out!

Also, as I recall, the genesis of the original political forum at DM was to create an outlet for more heated discussion that many on the main site didn't want. That arrangement morphed into the identical arrangement here. If you axe the political side then is this side going to be ruled with an iron fist to squash discussions that get heated? I frankly don't think that is going to work.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:18PM
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M A V I C
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Black
I am also not getting very far in understanding what resources we're talking about here, or what is meant by "sponsors," or why the sudden need for changes.

I think a few things Larry has said might help answer your questions:
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OWC Larry
That said - the 'political' forum side currently has no sponsor, use is limited to a single digit percentage... [...] it also has a very disproportionate percentage of Mod time spent on it. With lots of other forums more appropriate for that kind of discourse, going to see a poll on it's future. Certainly it's going to need a sponsor for it to continue imho.

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OWC Larry
it's not monetary... That being said, we're supporting the 'main forum' as a sponsor, but the politcal side drains resources from our support that could go to the main forum.

Sounds like mod resources is a big issue. As far as "sponsor", I noticed this board has a "sponsored by OWC" at the top right, whereas the political side does not.

Not sure if the need for change is "sudden" or not.

MAVIC, either I'm not communicating well, or you don't quite understand anything I type. Not sure why you think I haven't read those things.
The ranting side is a part of this forum. Threads get moved from here to there. There's one registration process for both. If the forum were broken out a-la dealmac, would new sponsors need to be found for each subforum?
Threads are auto-hidden with a certain number of user reports. Why does the ranting side need to be moderated at all? Just make a decision not to devote resources, and let the users effectively 'flag' offensive posts down, like on craigslist. The system is already in place, nothing to do.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Drew
Date: May 03, 2013 06:19PM
I agree with the vast majority and love the forum the way it is. It takes about a day for a post to travel from top to bottom, so I see no need for multiplying. As for the political side, I wouldn't care if it disappeared, but also see it's value as a pressure relief valve from the front side. What if you warned them that if they don't clean up and keep to the TOS then they'll lose it? Maybe they could do some self-policing. Are the TOS clearly understood?
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:20PM
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davester
I probably spend more time on the political side than on the tips and deals side, and I find it stimulating and valuable because I learn a lot of things about what other people are thinking across the country (and in other countries). I have never seen another forum as good as this one when it comes to discussions of political topics. I would probably end up drifting away from the forum in general if the political forum was axed.

Larry mentioned that there were other more appropriate political forums but I sure haven't ever seen any. The news site forums are populated by completely belligerent crazies. The political forum here has some very engaging and mature discussions mixed with the crazy stuff...something I haven't seen elsewhere.

That said, there are some posters on the political side who are completely nutso and whose obvious sole purpose is to try to tick people off (i.e. they are "trolls"), and I just know that they cause problems for the moderators. I would guess that those posters are a very small fraction of the posting population and I would be happy to see them axed if they are the cause of excessive effort by the moderators. Why not do that? Three strikes and you're out!

Also, as I recall, the genesis of the original political forum at DM was to create an outlet for more heated discussion that many on the main site didn't want. That arrangement morphed into the identical arrangement here. If you axe the political side then is this side going to be ruled with an iron fist to squash discussions that get heated? I frankly don't think that is going to work.


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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:23PM
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I agree with the vast majority and love the forum the way it is. It takes about a day for a post to travel from top to bottom, so I see no need for multiplying. As for the political side, I wouldn't care if it disappeared, but also see it's value as a pressure relief valve from the front side. What if you warned them that if they don't clean up and keep to the TOS then they'll lose it? Maybe they could do some self-policing. Are the TOS clearly understood?

What the folks who don't spend time there don't understand is that there are a few select individuals who come there only to try to get it shut down. They do get banned, and then they come back.
I guess it would be kind of interesting if those same folks had no choice but to do the same thing to the "tips" side. It's been kind of boring around here since some of our more colorful participants departed.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Racer X
Date: May 03, 2013 06:28PM
The bigger question is if the get banned, why are they allowed back?
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 06:33PM
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Racer X
The bigger question is if the get banned, why are they allowed back?

I think only someone with "insider" knowledge would be able to answer that.
You seem well-connected Racer X. Know anyone who's been 'behind the scenes?'




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: yeoman
Date: May 03, 2013 06:37PM
Please leave as is, for all the previous stated reasons
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 03, 2013 06:56PM
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.

i think checking in counts as a 'view.' i've checked back a number of times.

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 03, 2013 07:19PM
Re: forum open...
Posted by: rgG [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: December 09, 2005 07:54PM
I knew you would like it PeterB.
And Larry posted, somewhere, that everything non-political should go here, just like before, but without the OT.

Re: forum open...
Posted by: PeterB [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: December 09, 2005 08:16PM
Thanks rgG, but then maybe the title of this forum should be something other than "Tips and Deals" ?

Re: forum open...
Posted by: OWC Larry [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: December 09, 2005 09:13PM
You know - open to suggestions -

This is definitely the place for friendly chit chat - so tips and deals doesn't cover that so well.

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: testcase
Date: May 03, 2013 07:37PM
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3d
Just rename the forum to: Tips, Deals, Etc.


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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: earache
Date: May 03, 2013 07:41PM
Don't break it! This forum functions fine as-is. If you change it, you'll break it and lose the best Mac forum out there.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 03, 2013 07:45PM
Maybe adding some "tags" like photos, Macs, PCs, iOS, deals, cars, home repairs, food, news, etc would help. One should be able to apply filters to display only threads containing some tags. By defaults all threads should be visible, but if one feels there is too much noise, then click on some tags and look only at threads about home repairs for example. This is probably the best of both works, having the forum as it is now (it seems most of us like it this way) and being able to filter it to remove noise (kind like having sub-forums) if some people like that system better.
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 03, 2013 07:53PM
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RoadToad
I'm surprised that there have been 627 viewers and only 107 have cared enough to vote. I'm in the "leave it as is" majority.

i think checking in counts as a 'view.' i've checked back a number of times.

Any thread that has a lot of activity like this one will have a very large view count, has nothing to do with it having a poll. As people post new replies, others come back and view it again to read those replies and maybe make another post, rinse and repeat. Each active participant could have viewed the thread a dozen times to read the newest posts.
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 03, 2013 07:53PM
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3d
Just rename the forum to: Tips, Deals, Etc.


agree smiley

Works for me, and will help new members not feel initially bewildered by what's going on. (Although, if they're easily confused, do we really want them? Heh.)
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: davester
Date: May 03, 2013 07:55PM
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space-time
Maybe adding some "tags" like photos, Macs, PCs, iOS, deals, cars, home repairs, food, news, etc would help. .

That sounds like a solution in search of a problem. I've never had any problem finding what I needed to find with the search function. I would find the requirement to add tags to be a (minor) annoyance.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Don C
Date: May 03, 2013 08:46PM
"Although, if they're easily confused, do we really want them? Heh.'

Hey, NOW you're getting personal!

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: May 03, 2013 08:47PM
It is unfortunate that people are letting the the political side get crazy on the actions of a few. As I recall, at one time DM banned politics/religion talk and the issue that arose was posters who posted those topics anyway. The MR forum has function for the most part due to the "release valve". I don't post there since I don't require a release valve but I do see the need for it.

I do occasionally stroll over to read and i have to say that it seems to be more civilized than other political forums I see. It is a shame that some are taking it too seriously. I would hope that this serves as a wake up call to people to chill out a bit. Don't wreck the whole place just because someone doesn't see the world your way.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: DewGuy
Date: May 03, 2013 09:01PM
Once again I can't vote in a poll as it tells me "You already sent in your vote for this poll." when I haven't.

So, my vote is: NO! Leave it alone! I love looking everything!

OWC, thanks for providing the Forums. :-)
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: May 03, 2013 09:13PM
If the political side is an issue or potential liability...for reasons not revealed...then put a wall up (not a pay-wall) so that you must log in to access it and is simply not public-facing so it can't be spider-crawled by the search engines.

A regular user is logged in anyhow, so this shouldn't be a hindrance.

Everything else can remain intact.







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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: May 03, 2013 09:19PM
Uh, OS X I meant, but y'all knew that... Eh, I still like typing on my iPad.



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 09:25PM
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iaJim
Haven't we heard this before? Didn't we just see how that ended? Leave a good thing alone.

The DM forums died for far more reasons than the breaking of the forum apart into multiple parts. In fact, I think this had very little to do with the death of that forum. I go to forums that are far more segmented than the DM forums ever were, and they're just fine.

If you're referring to the actual shutting down of DealMac, the perhaps you're right, but if you mean the events that precipitated the mass exodus to this forum (in fact the events to which these forums owe heir very existence), then I respectfully, but completely disagree.

As someone who was at DealMac from the beginning, it's my recollection that the division of its forum (singular) into multiple "topic-specific" forums (plural) was the singular thing that led to the forum at MacResource, and the mass migration of DealMac users to it.

I've not yet read all the other replies to the original post here (I had to reply to this one right away), but I can't even believe that the post was serious. It seems so ludicrous!



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: ScottG
Date: May 03, 2013 09:36PM
I have nothing really to add, other than another vote of thanks to OWC for hosting this in the first place. I am more of a lurker than a poster, and only a very occasional lurker on the political side. I agree with numerous other posters that the political side is a useful pressure valve from this side; personally, although I have quite strong political views, I prefer to discuss them face to face. Especially with people who disagree with me. Then I get to apologize in person too.

I really like the forum exactly as it is. The Mac OS has moved on so much that I rarely need serious trouble shooting advice (gone are the days of rebuilding desktops and extension conflicts), but I like that I can ask for advice here, deals posted here are likely real deals and, importantly for me, reading the posts is sheer entertainment.

Many thanks to Larry!

cheers

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:11PM
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Ahhhaaa. April Fools! wait...

That was exactly my first thought, as well. I was like, this can't possibly be serious. Is there some holiday reason for the gag? What gives?



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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 03, 2013 10:16PM
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davester
I probably spend more time on the political side than on the tips and deals side, and I find it stimulating and valuable because I learn a lot of things about what other people are thinking across the country (and in other countries). I have never seen another forum as good as this one when it comes to discussions of political topics. I would probably end up drifting away from the forum in general if the political forum was axed.

Larry mentioned that there were other more appropriate political forums but I sure haven't ever seen any. The news site forums are populated by completely belligerent crazies. The political forum here has some very engaging and mature discussions mixed with the crazy stuff...something I haven't seen elsewhere.

That said, there are some posters on the political side who are completely nutso and whose obvious sole purpose is to try to tick people off (i.e. they are "trolls"), and I just know that they cause problems for the moderators. I would guess that those posters are a very small fraction of the posting population and I would be happy to see them axed if they are the cause of excessive effort by the moderators. Why not do that? Three strikes and you're out!

Also, as I recall, the genesis of the original political forum at DM was to create an outlet for more heated discussion that many on the main site didn't want. That arrangement morphed into the identical arrangement here. If you axe the political side then is this side going to be ruled with an iron fist to squash discussions that get heated? I frankly don't think that is going to work.

What davester said.

This is really about the squeaky wheel syndrome. There will always be a small number of thin skinned posters who will consume a disproportionate amount of moderator time. Maybe if you were to cap allowed complaints at - say once a month, mods refereeing time would become more managable.

Squeaky wheel is what drove Brian Moon, amongst others, stark raving bonkers and eventually killed DM.

Impose a forum version of sports "luxury tax", if a poster registers more than one complaint within a thirty-day period they pay a tax of $2 per event - paid directly to the mods. punch smileyjudge smiley
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:29PM
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: SteveO
Date: May 03, 2013 10:36PM
I was also a regular on the old forums at DM for several years (starting in '95 or so) before they imploded. My take on it then was the same as many here have shared: they subdivided it to monetize it and it royally messed everything up. The banishments and odd rules followed or maybe were in tandem with that, and the place quickly lost its attraction for a great many of us.

The Minnow (or Ark!) landed safely here, thankfully, and many of us purchase here and recommend owc for batteries, ram, cases, drives and countless other gizmos. I know I speak for all of us when I say THANK YOU for the forums and I'd also like to think they bring in some good biz, known or otherwise. So all good there I hope.

I don't often post on the other side (maybe 1-2x every week or two I'd guess) these days but I often go over there to learn some things I didn't know and to get some other views. Sure there are those a lot of us [hopefully] know to simply ignore without even hitting that button. If moderating it is a drain then I'd suggest just leaving it alone. If it becomes too vituperative, it would weed itself out I'd hope.

In conclusion, what PeterB and Zoid (and others) said. Great community here and lots to share and learn from each other just the way it's set up right now. I love that everything is together on this side, it's fun and you can always find an interesting topic, all in one click. Thanks for listening.
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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:39PM
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Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.


What a bunch of @#$%&!

Psychotic @#$%&, at that!

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Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:45PM
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Maybe it's time for it to be more of an anything goes. Pay to play/see. If you don't like it - don't be a part of it. Maybe it's $1.99 a month or $9.99 a year. I don't know. I do know it sucks that people can't stick to their own 'facts' - right or wrong - and agree or agree to disagree vs. bring it down to personal snipes and worse. If it wasn't anonymous, bet would be a lot different too.

Maybe you should charge to report posts. Only on the ranting side. Charge .99 per report. That way people can either tough it out, get lost, or waste their money.



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Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: May 03, 2013 10:46PM
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if the political side becomes pay to play, the terrorists have won.

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2013 10:47PM
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Maybe it's time for it to be more of an anything goes. Pay to play/see. If you don't like it - don't be a part of it. Maybe it's $1.99 a month or $9.99 a year. I don't know. I do know it sucks that people can't stick to their own 'facts' - right or wrong - and agree or agree to disagree vs. bring it down to personal snipes and worse. If it wasn't anonymous, bet would be a lot different too.

Maybe you should charge to report posts. Only on the ranting side. Charge .99 per report. That way people can either tough it out, get lost, or waste their money.

Good luck with that. The heavy reporters are probably funded by the Koch brothers.




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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: PeterB
Date: May 03, 2013 11:18PM
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Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.


What a bunch of @#$%&!

Psychotic @#$%&, at that!

LOL

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Re: Adding more subforums
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: May 03, 2013 11:35PM
If the political side went away, I would not be sorry to see it go.

I do not believe that the absence of that forum would make this side more course. But dividing this side into various subforums is a bad idea: it works just great the way it is. If people can't discern the tips from the jokes from the trivia from the workshop kinks from the deals then they probably shouldn't be on the internet.

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initially there was more activity on that other side and it was, for the most part, 'friendly'. At this point, it's become more vindictive and personal rather than a true sharing of viewpoints and ideas. Bottom line is that it's not being used in to the original framework and the small group who continue to utilize it are continually offended and reporting each other.

I figure I've been reported a number of times. It's been a long, long time since I reported anyone. I don't see a whole lot of value in that forum, or any forum on the internet that leans to the political, beyond the brief satisfaction individuals get from venting about on topic or another, or the positive reinforcement they get of previously held beliefs. Thinking is not influenced, minds are not changed, Liberal and Conservative never come to any consensus. It's just more fun to thump one's chest or to poke someone else in the eye with a sharp stick (guilty as charged).

This side, on the other hand, is full of great information, humor, news, history, pictures, and yeah: tips and deals. It's a valuable resource and I'm grateful for it.







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