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why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 18, 2013 07:00AM
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Unfortunately for Nintendo, just hours before it took to the virtual stage to announce its newest offerings, this problem went from bad to worse. Little more than a week after Electronic Arts (EA) affiliate and "Battlefield" developer DICE made it depressingly clear that it had all but ruled out developing games for the Wii U, EA revealed that it's not working on any Wii U titles at the moment.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 18, 2013 07:36AM
Because it was an insanely stupid attempt to make a controller look like a mobile device. Ever pick one up ? Heavy ! Their designers did not show it to actual humans before releasing it.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: May 18, 2013 08:44AM
Because they designed it around their DRM instead of around a great user experience.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 18, 2013 10:53AM
This is a terrible product that targeted the wrong wii demographic of casual gamers.

Nintendo is truly a dying company.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: May 18, 2013 01:17PM
Further thoughts...

If Nintendo had made it easy to move games/saves from the Wii to the U without killing the Wii in the process and if they came out of the gate with a couple of awesome Mario games, they would have had a killer product even with the ridiculous controller. And they knew it. They simply ignored all feedback from their customers.

It's notable that Sony and MS are both also ignoring the user experience just like Nintendo. They are instead focusing on DRM, forcing users to purchase in-game-content in every game they can possibly stack it onto and eliminating the game-resale market. Unless they come up with some killer games or a secondary purpose (Netflix/movies, TV, porn, online shopping, etc.) that make the sacrifices worthwhile, I doubt that any of the next-gen consoles will be able to come close to the success of their predecessors... and none of the news about those consoles so far has indicated that they'll have any original games at all both at launch and into the foreseeable future. They're just recycling old titles.



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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: May 18, 2013 02:07PM
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Chakravartin
Further thoughts...

They are instead focusing on DRM, forcing users to purchase in-game-content in every game they can possibly stack it onto and eliminating the game-resale market. Unless they come up with some killer games or a secondary purpose (Netflix/movies, TV, porn, online shopping, etc.) that make the sacrifices worthwhile, I doubt that any of the next-gen consoles will be able to come close to the success of their predecessors... and none of the news about those consoles so far has indicated that they'll have any original games at all both at launch and into the foreseeable future. They're just recycling old titles.

That is severely untrue (e.g. killing the resale market, forcing purchases of add-ons, and original games at launch - all old news/rumors - just check out the current state of things, although the new Xbox is coming close to not allowing resales).

The only part that I agree with, and is factual, is the add-on content to purchase, but that is just like in-app purchases that have evolved in our entertainment technology.







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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: sekker
Date: May 18, 2013 02:45PM
The long-term business model for Xbox is definitely subscription plus in-game purchases.

Don't know or care about new consoles as gaming devices. Their next generation sales, in my opinion, are going to be due to some added feature like having a built-in DVR feature. Sony did that with their play station by offering Blu Ray reading functionality at a subsidized price.

Sure, there are some true gamers, and that market will want high-end boxes. But that's a tiny part of the real gold.

I bet Microsoft could sell a $99 Xbox with last-gen tech and make it profitable based on subscription and in-game purchases.

I truly believe the wii U represents and end of the line for dedicated gaming consoles. Xbox 7200 will be much more than gaming, and Sony has already announced that their next play station will have set top features to integrate with the entire Sony ecosystem.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: May 18, 2013 03:09PM
My nephews love theirs... but they're ages 11 and 8.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 18, 2013 03:35PM
man, I am glad I don't own a console. I would have entertained the ida of getting a Wii (the older model, not the Wii U) for the kids, but I think they can play a few games on the iPad and I would rather have them spend time outside riding their bikes or jumping at the playground. probably I will never own a console.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: decay
Date: May 18, 2013 03:51PM
at least some Wii games get kids up off the couch.

i don't see the appeal of the Wii U - who wants to look at the controller when playing a TV-based video game?



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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: May 18, 2013 06:53PM
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onthedownlow
That is severely untrue (e.g. killing the resale market, forcing purchases of add-ons, and original games at launch - all old news/rumors - just check out the current state of things...

The current state of things is that Sony and MS aren't officially commenting. But many leaks have come from authoritative sources.

For example, the (now-former) Creative Director at MS Studios made an oopsie:
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Though Microsoft has given no official word on it yet whatsoever, DRM (digital rights management) has been a publicity sticking-point around the next Xbox for months now. Adam Orth's notorious Twitter comments sparked the biggest concern, with the now former Microsoft Studios creative director's defensive remarks about always online consoles suggesting to some that the new Xbox would be connected to the net at all times, ruling out second hand games... developers may choose to protect their games with either constant connectivity or authentication keys, similar to PC games.

I doubt that MS will have anything to say about DRM during the announcement on the 21st. Manufacturers don't like to talk about what their products won't do. But it's telling that there have been dozens of leaks about each product and almost every leak has been about the strict DRM.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: May 18, 2013 07:07PM
If I had the time, I'd look up the press releases (esp. Sony) that mentions about the DRM (which they both currently have anyway), but not the kind that would limit the re-seller's market/industry. For the next-gen consoles, it's not gonna happen the way people are thinking, which is the 'worst'.

EA already announced they are done with their Online Pass system, which affected the second-hand market games.

I'll post back later.







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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: May 18, 2013 08:34PM
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onthedownlow
If I had the time, I'd look up the press releases (esp. Sony) that mentions about the DRM (which they both currently have anyway), but not the kind that would limit the re-seller's market/industry.

It wasn't a press release.

Shuhei Yoshida said in an interview that the PS4 wouldn't play PS3 games, and would not "block" used PS4 games from being used in their consoles. When asked to clarify whether this meant that the content from used PS4 titles would still be playable, he went mum.

So, Sony's official position is that used discs will spin up when inserted in their optical drives. How very generous of them.
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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: decay
Date: May 19, 2013 12:51AM
is there an xbox reveal on the 21st?

[www.expertreviews.co.uk]



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Re: why no love for Wii U?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: June 11, 2013 12:54AM
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onthedownlow
If I had the time, I'd look up the press releases (esp. Sony) that mentions about the DRM (which they both currently have anyway), but not the kind that would limit the re-seller's market/industry.

It wasn't a press release.

Shuhei Yoshida said in an interview that the PS4 wouldn't play PS3 games, and would not "block" used PS4 games from being used in their consoles. When asked to clarify whether this meant that the content from used PS4 titles would still be playable, he went mum.

So, Sony's official position is that used discs will spin up when inserted in their optical drives. How very generous of them.

Did you see E3:

"But the turning point of the conference was the first and most damaging of several body-blows to Microsoft, which came when Jack Tretton returned to stage and said without a trace of ambiguity that the PlayStation 4 will support lending, trading, reselling, and indeed playing your games on your console in pretty much the same way as we have been since they came on floppy discs. No DRM, no restrictions, no online requirements, and no authentication. If anyone still thought that this was a minor issue for gamers, the reaction to that news will surely have disabused them of that assumption. In the conference centre, the room went madder than it would have if Naughty Dog had shown up with Uncharted 4.

From there, the attack became more and more targeted. After making it absolutely clear that you can trade, sell, and share PS4 games without restriction, Tretton added that disc-based games don't need to be connected online or check in for authentication – not every 24 hours, not ever."

I knew this would be the case with Sony.

...and then undercutting Xbox by $100 on the console price. Ouch.



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