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Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: October 01, 2013 07:08AM
brain fart argh angry villagers smiley whine smiley

What Farging Idiot thinks this is a good thing ? People's favorites change SO rapidly. Security Wonks that do this must all be mildly autistic OCD types who refuse to change their perspectives on anything.

(Yes... trying to sign my daughter up for health insurance using the 'exchange'... which is totally borked anyway...)
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: tronnei
Date: October 01, 2013 08:23AM
I hate those too, and made a similar rant here a few months ago.
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: digby
Date: October 01, 2013 08:39AM
That's why I prefer "What was your first ____?" questions. My first car won't change, but my favorite will.

I always have to pause and remember "Ok, what's my favorite car? Well, it's a Lamborghini Sesto Elemento, but that takes too long to type. So what's my 'Internet Security Question' favorite? Oh, yeah, VW, because it's quicker to type."
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: decay
Date: October 01, 2013 10:11AM
Or you pick any of their questions, and give an answer that doesn't correspond.

Example: Manny, Moe, Jack
or
Neil, Alex, Geddy



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: michaelb
Date: October 01, 2013 10:23AM
They are my favorite questions, since the answer cannot be objectively determined or guessed. You get to choose other types of questions usually.

I write my answers down (inside a password program), but I can usually guess my favorite drink, book, and song.
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: October 01, 2013 10:26AM
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digby
That's why I prefer "What was your first ____?" questions. My first car won't change, but my favorite will.

I always have to pause and remember "Ok, what's my favorite car? Well, it's a Lamborghini Sesto Elemento, but that takes too long to type. So what's my 'Internet Security Question' favorite? Oh, yeah, VW, because it's quicker to type."

"I'm sorry, that response is too short... your answer must be at least 11 characters long".

angry villagers smiley

I like the (few sites any more!) that let me define my OWN questions!
Before my bank overhauled their site, I definied a question; "11mm Werndl basic brass"?
I happen to know there are only a handful of shooters in the country shooting 11.15x58R Austrian Werndl, and so far as I know, no one but me is forming them from Starline .50-110 Winchester brass...
So that's a pretty good security question!
Well, it WAS, until my bank changed their system to "What's your favorite movie", and until I just posted the question and answer...



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: raz
Date: October 01, 2013 11:02AM
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Paul F.
"I'm sorry, that response is too short... your answer must be at least 11 characters long".

And must include 1 upper case letter, two digits, and a special character from a subset of ASCII - but we won't tell you which subset.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: October 01, 2013 11:13AM
Correct Horse Battery Staple... that's all I gotta say...



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A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca c. 5 BC - 65 AD
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Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a Decision.

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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: AllGold
Date: October 01, 2013 11:36AM
I have also ranted about security questions in the past.

I recently had another rant-worthy episode (which I didn't post about) when a credit account was bought out and I had to re-register.

I called the company to complain because I literally could not find three questions I could actually answer. Stuff like favorite color? I don't have one. What was the name of your favorite teacher? Darned if I know. What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Don't remember.

But here's what really got me. The majority of the questions were about spouse and kids. I'm single with no kids. (Where did you get engaged? What is your oldest child's middle name? Lots of other questions like that.)

And to make matters worse, thinking I would just use spouse and kids questions with a nonsense answer, you can not use the same answer for each question. And I have no idea if the questions are asked in the same order on a security challenge as when you create them so my sequential nonsense answers might be wrong.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: October 01, 2013 12:12PM
almost as bad as 'you must use at least one uppercase letter' password requirements
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: jims
Date: October 01, 2013 12:17PM
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AllGold
I have also ranted about security questions in the past.

I recently had another rant-worthy episode (which I didn't post about) when a credit account was bought out and I had to re-register.

I called the company to complain because I literally could not find three questions I could actually answer. Stuff like favorite color? I don't have one. What was the name of your favorite teacher? Darned if I know. What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Don't remember.

But here's what really got me. The majority of the questions were about spouse and kids. I'm single with no kids. (Where did you get engaged? What is your oldest child's middle name? Lots of other questions like that.)

And to make matters worse, thinking I would just use spouse and kids questions with a nonsense answer, you can not use the same answer for each question. And I have no idea if the questions are asked in the same order on a security challenge as when you create them so my sequential nonsense answers might be wrong.

That must have been Best Buy. They have sold out twice in the last 3 months. I just went through their exasperating questions yesterday.
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: decay
Date: October 01, 2013 12:44PM
Favorite color? Manny
What was the name of your favorite teacher? Moe
What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Jack

done.

What was your first pet's name? Manny
What street did you grow up on? Moe
What's your mother's middle name? Jack



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: raz
Date: October 01, 2013 01:03PM
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decay
Favorite color? Manny
What was the name of your favorite teacher? Moe
What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Jack

done.

What was your first pet's name? Manny
What street did you grow up on? Moe
What's your mother's middle name? Jack

Just dandy, unless they only ask 1 question or they ask all three in random order.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: AllGold
Date: October 01, 2013 01:11PM
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jims
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AllGold
I have also ranted about security questions in the past.

I recently had another rant-worthy episode (which I didn't post about) when a credit account was bought out and I had to re-register.

That must have been Best Buy. They have sold out twice in the last 3 months. I just went through their exasperating questions yesterday.

Bingo!



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: October 01, 2013 01:20PM
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decay
Favorite color? Manny
What was the name of your favorite teacher? Moe
What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Jack

done.

What was your first pet's name? Manny
What street did you grow up on? Moe
What's your mother's middle name? Jack

And when they ask the third question first a year from now, and you get ONE try before it locks you out?

Admit it, it's a system designed by morons...



Paul F.
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A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca c. 5 BC - 65 AD
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Good is the enemy of Excellent. Talent is not necessary for Excellence.
Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a Decision.

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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: AllGold
Date: October 01, 2013 01:22PM
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Paul F.
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decay
Favorite color? Manny
What was the name of your favorite teacher? Moe
What was the name of your 1st grade teacher? Jack

done.

What was your first pet's name? Manny
What street did you grow up on? Moe
What's your mother's middle name? Jack

And when they ask the third question first a year from now, and you get ONE try before it locks you out?

Admit it, it's a system designed by morons...

Yep. Plus, I'm not sure about Jack but I think Moe is too short.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 01, 2013 02:18PM
It isn't a test. You don't have to be "correct". Just pick a "favorite" color or movie and write it down somewhere. Talk about a first world problem.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 01, 2013 02:20PM
And decay is right. It doesn't even have to be a sensible answer. Favorite color? "Favorite"



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: Buzz
Date: October 01, 2013 02:23PM
Just base the answers on a TV show or movie that you can remember as the basis for your security questions...

Central High School
Mr. Pomfritt
Thalia Menninger
Maynard G. Krebs
bongos



Sometimes it is what it is...
and then there's times when it's really better.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 01, 2013 02:40PM
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Buzz
Just base the answers on a TV show or movie that you can remember as the basis for your security questions...

Central High School
Mr. Pomfritt
Thalia Menninger
Maynard G. Krebs
bongos

thumbs up



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: AllGold
Date: October 01, 2013 02:59PM
I thought the point of security questions was to use something only you would typically know, something that you'll remember the answer and not have to write down (which isn't secure). Not some gibberish you guess, make up, fabricate, etc. and then not be able to remember unless you write it down.



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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 01, 2013 04:02PM
Not some gibberish you guess, make up, fabricate, etc. and then not be able to remember unless you write it down.

This.

Except as previously noted security questions are not a one-size-fits-all proposition. The ability to make up your own questions would be the way to go.

I've noticed that Wells Fagro routinely but randomly (?!) asks me a security question even though I've entered my password correctly. That's beginning to annoy me.


that you can remember

Well, that would be the point of asking for "favorites".


Talk about a first world problem.

LOL, that crossed my mind early on. Must be a slow day at the Forum.




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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: digby
Date: October 01, 2013 10:51PM
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Buzz
Just base the answers on a TV show or movie that you can remember as the basis for your security questions...

Central High School
Mr. Pomfritt
Thalia Menninger
Maynard G. Krebs...
What if the password-bot then asks:
What does the "G" stand for?
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Re: Today's Rant: Security Questions that ask for "Favorites"
Posted by: silvarios
Date: October 02, 2013 05:44AM
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$tevie
It isn't a test. You don't have to be "correct". Just pick a "favorite" color or movie and write it down somewhere. Talk about a first world problem.

Exactly.
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