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No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Ammo
Date: April 13, 2015 08:38PM
Article by: JEFF STRICKLER , Star Tribune Updated: April 13, 2015 - 4:07 PM

Unbeknownst to us, the baby boomer childhood was fraught with unrealized peril.

By today’s safety standards, every baby boomer should have been dead by the time we were 12.

We defied danger on a daily basis. We never knew that we were doing risky things, of course; we just thought that we were having fun. Nonetheless, we spent our days immersed in activities that we’d never for a second allow our children or grandchildren to do. Or even think about doing.

Here are some of the ways we courted trouble:

Homes

Our flirtations with danger started as soon as we could crawl. For most parents, the notion of baby-proofing a home was to close the cellar door so the kids wouldn’t fall down the stairs. Locking cupboards? That would slow things down the next time someone needed something from one of them. Cover unused electrical outlets? That just created more rigmarole when you wanted to plug in the vacuum cleaner. And why would anyone but a masochist put medicine into bottles that you couldn’t open without a jackhammer? Granted, sometimes we’d end up chewing on an extension cord, but as long as we didn’t gnaw all the way through it — thereby disconnecting the TV, three lamps, fan, hi-fi and clock that were plugged into it — no one paid much attention to us.

Toys

We hurled lawn darts with reckless abandon. With their shiny metal tips, these mini-spears did have an ominous appearance, but we just figured that was part of their allure. We realized that it would hurt if we were to get hit by one of them, but we shrugged off the threat of injury by noting that the game basically was a back-yard variation on horseshoes, and getting hit by a horseshoe wouldn’t have been all that pleasant, either.

The darts on steroids were just one of our death-defying pastimes. We also played with wood-burning kits — red-hot irons capable not only of burning us but also of burning down the house. And there was a line of electric toy irons, including a model that, the ads assured, heated up to “only 250 degrees” — in other words, hotter than boiling water.

The 1950s also saw a flood of science-related toys that promised all sorts of mystical endeavors. There were chemistry sets that, in addition to being filled with breakable glass test tubes, taught us to make compounds like potassium permanganate, which is used to start fires, and ammonium nitrate, an explosive. But when it come to being dangerous, no toy could match the Uranium Energy Lab, which came with four pieces of real, bona fide, radioactive uranium. Seriously — who wouldn’t have fun with glow-in-the-dark hands?

Bikes

Not only did we not wear helmets, we’d never even heard of them. Bikes came with a single reflector on the back, but it broke off and rarely was replaced. Lights existed but they were considered an extravagance used only by showoffs. There were no bike paths or lanes offering a buffer from traffic. In fact, for most kids, the entire concept of bike safety was reduced to a warning from their mother: “If you get run over, don’t bother to come home for dinner.”

Parental oversight

We had none. We rode our bikes (helmetless) down busy streets, zipping from one friend’s house to another, never telling anyone where we were going next (as if we knew). We went swimming, climbed trees and played with firecrackers without so much as a casual glance in our direction by an adult. There was many a summer day when our mothers shooed us outdoors with the understanding that we’d come home again when we got hungry or one of our siblings was run over by a car, whichever came first.

Cars

We crowded into cars that had no seat belts — or, if they did, had them only in the front seat, while we sat in the back. There were car seats for toddlers, but they were designed to hold the kid upright, not to offer any protection. And while we didn’t have to worry about our parents being distracted by their cellphones while they were driving, they were chain-smoking, filling the vehicle with a cloud of secondhand smoke.

Secondhand smoke

The concept didn’t exist yet. We just figured that smoke was part of the atmosphere — and it was in most homes.

Playgrounds

Most of them featured metal slides that reached scalding temperatures in the summer sun. And heaven forbid if you fell off the jungle gym, because there were no soft surfaces on which to land.

Sunblock

Was worn only by lifeguards — and they used it primarily on their noses.

Sports

We loved our contact sports, colliding with one another without safety gear or, for the most part, any structured set of rules about how and where one could smash an opponent. Sure, there was the occasional hotshot who sported a football helmet or a pair of hockey gloves, but anyone who had shown up with a mouth guard would have been laughed out of the game. We called concussions “dingers” and stoically cajoled the injured party to “walk it off,” as if somehow walking would make your head feel better.

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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: jims
Date: April 13, 2015 08:44PM
And god forbid, we rode in the back of pickups and on uncovered trailers. Also had bb guns, sling shots, cherry bombs, m80s, and hunted with 22s and shotguns.

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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: April 13, 2015 08:47PM
"By today’s safety standards, every baby boomer should have been dead by the time we were 12.”

Lots of baby boomers did die before they turned twelve.

Seat belts, for example, have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. All those who were killed before they were mandatory aren’t around to point that out.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: testcase
Date: April 13, 2015 09:00PM
Runaway government knows what's best for us....eye rolling smiley



That's why so many people are incapable of being responsible for them selves. sad smiley
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: p8712
Date: April 13, 2015 09:08PM
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The concept didn’t exist yet. We just figured that smoke was part of the atmosphere — and it was in most homes.

I don't even know what to do with that.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: April 13, 2015 09:09PM
We dug (deep) tunnels & underground 'forts' in the woods behind our houses. Dogs and cats were of the 'free range' variety.
There were no 'batting' helmets for baseball, only jockcups!
We had WWII & Korean War surplus and souvenirs to play with wall smiley
The ice-cream truck came thru every evening. Afterward we ran behind the mosquito fogging jeep and frolicked in the toxic smoke.

I learned to drive on a tow-motor @ 12 and worked summers on a crane rigging crew from ages 13-17.

And then there was 1967...



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 13, 2015 10:16PM
Dad had us wearing rock climbing helmets starting around 1967. Then bike helmets. Saved ... Jeez... Every one of our lives in one crash or another.

He had seat belts put in the Corvair van after mom crashed it and gave me my second concussion.

Dad was always looking out for us. He also taught us all to hunt and fish and survive in the wilderness, my sisters too.. No questions there. Mom already knew how.

Admittedly I did stuff that would have landed me on an FBI list now.. Hacking , explosives, B&E, etc...
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: davester
Date: April 13, 2015 10:49PM
Sorry to pop your balloon, but that article just parrots the common false "logic" that many know-nothings use to justify not using seat belts, helmets and the like. Basically it says "look at me...I survived, so obviously safety measures are unnecessary", completely ignoring the fact that all those folks who died are no longer around to say "look at me...". With few exceptions, the safety measures cited were in response to very high rates of death and severe injury, and resulted in substantially lowering of those rates.

I used to be responsible for enforcing safety at my company, in an era where the construction workers and drilling crews we worked with openly flaunted safety rules. Well, all that has changed now as those folks have been educated regarding all the serious disabilities and deaths that have occurred amongst their friends and colleagues. Nowadays it's a pleasure to work with these folks because they are totally safety oriented (because they want to go home to their loved ones as the end of the day).

Now, this is not to say that there isn't some overzealousness in the safety biz. Sometimes there are so many overly conservative safety measures that they dilute the measures that protect against the real hazards. However, the hazards mentioned in the OP's article are real hazards that we should be cognizant of.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: IronMac
Date: April 14, 2015 02:10AM
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MrNoBody
There were no 'batting' helmets for baseball, only jockcups!

You had jockcups?!
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 14, 2015 04:41AM
What Mike Johnson and davester said!!! Lots more alive because of all those safety requirements.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: April 14, 2015 07:22AM
If nothing else, we all survived without out mother's hanging "Baby on Board" signs in the back windows of the Pinto. hot smiley



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: billb
Date: April 14, 2015 07:23AM
Let's see.

The author proposes the statement: "Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards"

and then writes several hundred words citing exactly how this is true.

A glowing endorsement of modern safety standards.



The usual hate mongerers, blinded by their usual hate narrative(s) and bigotry, condemn the author for what they are incapable of parsing.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 14, 2015 08:30AM
billb, you may want to lower your seatbelt and loosen it a bit to improve blood flow.

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billb
Let's see.

The author proposes the statement: "Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards"

and then writes several hundred words citing exactly how this is true.

A glowing endorsement of modern safety standards.



The usual hate mongerers, blinded by their usual hate narrative(s) and bigotry, condemn the author for what they are incapable of parsing.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: m.paris
Date: April 14, 2015 08:34AM
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billb
Let's see.

The author proposes the statement: "Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards"

and then writes several hundred words citing exactly how this is true.

A glowing endorsement of modern safety standards.

Well said!
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: April 14, 2015 08:49AM
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Ombligo
If nothing else, we all survived without out mother's hanging "Baby on Board" signs in the back windows of the Pinto. hot smiley

And by not riding in Pintos, notorious for exploding gas tanks in rear-end collisions.

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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: davester
Date: April 14, 2015 09:13AM
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billb
The author proposes the statement: "Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards"

and then writes several hundred words citing exactly how this is true.

A glowing endorsement of modern safety standards.

You seem to have difficulty discerning sarcasm from statements of fact.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: April 14, 2015 10:10AM
I personally think we've become "too safe". It used to be, you had to pay attention when you drove a car. You might stall it, might get hurt in a crash, had to pay attention or you might lose control... but now cars are so easy to drive that you don't have to worry about those things.

I had an 81 Subaru, and if I wasn't paying attention going up a hill, I'd lose my momentum and have a hard time getting up it. There were spots on I-5 where the road would curve, but at 60mph, if I didn't start out wide, cut the curve and go wide again, I'd end up in another lane. If something was in the road a ways up, I had to react well before I got there to not run into it. The car would shake and rattle at 75mph.

Now cars handle with a finger, brake quickly... which allows drivers not to pay as much attention, for their own sake. And if they do happen to crash into something, there's modern safety features like crumple zones and airbags.

And with all this, now people think it's okay to watch a movie, text and carry on a conversation while keeping eye contact with a person in the backseat...




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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: April 14, 2015 10:14AM
My brother in law is from India. He and his wife argued about using seatbelts and car seats for their daughter while they were visiting in India. He said no one uses seatbelts and he and his brother survived just fine. She was at a loss for an argument against this logic. I pointed out that the dead children who didn't survive couldn't argue in favor of seatbelts, and the laws of physics don't stop at the border of India.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 14, 2015 10:15AM
Ah, summers in the early 80's...

My buddy and I riding our un-safety equiped bikes down to the Bay... playing along the railroad tracks (which, unlike today, actually had trains on them a couple times a week... they're all falling to ruin today). Scavenging in the abandoned and collapsing Carson Mill for bits of this and that.

Scrounging a piece of iron and some rope, and going down to the old Lazio fish packing plant to bum a fish head, tieing it to the weight, and dropping it into the bay to try to pull up a crab.
The TWO times we actually got a crab to hang on all the way to the surface, and got something under him before he dropped off.. we built a fire up by the railroad tracks, boiled him in an old coffee can.... and we ate 'em. They're WAY better with butter and garlic than being boiled in sea water, by the way.

Other days we'd go to Sequoia Park (a longer bike ride than the Bay) and play on the old locomotive engine. Sharp bits of broken off valves all over... high enough you were definitely aware you shouldn't fall off when climbing out of the cab and walking along the side of the boiler on the catwalk... the grass wasn't all that soft.

Was it all dangerous? Sure.
But we were raised to THINK. Raised to be CAREFUL. Not raised to never take any risks because some statistician carefully calculated the risks and informed some legal department, insurance agent, the police department, and the NSA, that we shouldn't.

Of COURSE we should have seatbelts, helmets, etc...
But we're doing our collective selves no net benefit to allowing crutches to completely REPLACE and supplant the ability to THINK and look out for our own well being.
Should we give up seatbelts and helmets? No... of course not, only the reasoning-challenged would come to that knee-jerk conclusion about what I'm saying (and he undoubtedly will chime in to imply that that's exactly what I'm saying).

Having kids stay at home, "safe" playing video games all day because it's "dangerous" to let them go outside without a highly trained team of safety specialists and medical personnel, is not producing well rounded human beings.

It's not the safety equipment that's harming us - quite the opposite, the equipment itself has saved many lives and limbs. It's the culture of "take no risk, ever" that's the problem.
Some people have a difficult time separating the two, so they equate saying "teach taking risks" with saying "just kill all the children".



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 14, 2015 10:18AM
A few dead children is a small price to pay to enjoy continued indignant outrage against the perceived nanny state.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: April 14, 2015 10:22AM
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Lux Interior
A few dead children is a small price to pay to enjoy continued indignant outrage against the perceived nanny state.

See? I KNEW someone would make that "point" pretty soon...



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 14, 2015 10:47AM
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M A V I C
I personally think we've become "too safe".


Perhaps, perhaps not, but we are a society that is heavily driven by fear. We enact large numbers of rules and laws that sound good on the surface, but actually do very little. A couple of examples come to mind. One is that many states require children under the age of eighteen to wear helmets when riding a bicycle, and the other is our ridiculous car seat laws. This is what California says about car seats:

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As of January 1, 2012, all children must ride in car seat or booster seat until they are at least 8 years old or at least 4 feet 9 inches tall. In addition, all kids younger than 8 years old, must be secured in the back seat.

[www.dmv.org]

I have not seen any statistical study that demonstrates that either of these kinds of laws actually make our children any safer.

Here's a shot of mine, taken at a skate park here in Sacramento. There are signs all over the place here saying that helmets are mandatory...


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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: April 14, 2015 10:54AM
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Paul F.
. . . Having kids stay at home, "safe" playing video games all day because it's "dangerous" to let them go outside without a highly trained team of safety specialists and medical personnel, is not producing well rounded human beings.

It's not the safety equipment that's harming us - quite the opposite, the equipment itself has saved many lives and limbs. It's the culture of "take no risk, ever" that's the problem.
Some people have a difficult time separating the two, so they equate saying "teach taking risks" with saying "just kill all the children".

Well said. The enormously well-publicized crimes by child predators have also made parents afraid of letting their kids out of their sight. My wife and I remember the days when kids roamed all over the neighborhoods, in the woods, played in the creeks. My mother had a brass bell she would ring for dinner, loud enough that my brothers and I could hear it from down in the woods. Are the risks really worse today than they were then?

/Mr Lynn
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: April 14, 2015 11:25AM
Are car seats for children really safer? Yes...and no.

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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: April 14, 2015 12:18PM
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freeradical
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M A V I C
I personally think we've become "too safe".


Perhaps, perhaps not, but we are a society that is heavily driven by fear. We enact large numbers of rules and laws that sound good on the surface, but actually do very little. A couple of examples come to mind. One is that many states require children under the age of eighteen to wear helmets when riding a bicycle, and the other is our ridiculous car seat laws. This is what California says about car seats:

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As of January 1, 2012, all children must ride in car seat or booster seat until they are at least 8 years old or at least 4 feet 9 inches tall. In addition, all kids younger than 8 years old, must be secured in the back seat.

[www.dmv.org]

I have not seen any statistical study that demonstrates that either of these kinds of laws actually make our children any safer.

"I have not seen…"

Ah, the old argument from ignorance. Anybody can claim anything after those words. And so they have in this thread and in the OP's article. I'm enjoying the comments in this thread, keep 'em comin'!
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Posted by: M A V I C
Date: April 14, 2015 12:31PM
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ztirffritz
Are car seats for children really safer? Yes...and no.

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Both my kids will be in car seats well past age six. This is partially because the carseat we bought for my daughter when she was 6mo old (previously had a carrier setup), has a six year expiration date. So since we've bought it, why not use it? It is rated for more than she'll weigh at that time (most likely.) For my son, it's similar though a little different. We had two cars for a while, and so we bought a car seat for the second car. It's not a convertible seat, and he'll be able to be in it until he's over 4' and something like 80lbs.

Both seats have five point harnesses and lots of good side impact protection. Those tests in the video and most seats aren't designed with that level of protection. There's plenty of data that shows those two elements help in adult seats as well, so they should certainly help with child seats.




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Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 14, 2015 12:53PM
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Paul F.
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Lux Interior
A few dead children is a small price to pay to enjoy continued indignant outrage against the perceived nanny state.

See? I KNEW someone would make that "point" pretty soon...

The "point" is that positions at the polar ends of the spectrum are equally ridiculous.
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Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 14, 2015 01:01PM
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Lew Zealand
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freeradical
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M A V I C
I personally think we've become "too safe".


Perhaps, perhaps not, but we are a society that is heavily driven by fear. We enact large numbers of rules and laws that sound good on the surface, but actually do very little. A couple of examples come to mind. One is that many states require children under the age of eighteen to wear helmets when riding a bicycle, and the other is our ridiculous car seat laws. This is what California says about car seats:

Quote

As of January 1, 2012, all children must ride in car seat or booster seat until they are at least 8 years old or at least 4 feet 9 inches tall. In addition, all kids younger than 8 years old, must be secured in the back seat.

[www.dmv.org]

I have not seen any statistical study that demonstrates that either of these kinds of laws actually make our children any safer.

"I have not seen…"

Ah, the old argument from ignorance. Anybody can claim anything after those words. And so they have in this thread and in the OP's article. I'm enjoying the comments in this thread, keep 'em comin'!


I take it that you didn't watch that video.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: April 14, 2015 01:12PM
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freeradical
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Lew Zealand
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freeradical
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M A V I C
I personally think we've become "too safe".


Perhaps, perhaps not, but we are a society that is heavily driven by fear. We enact large numbers of rules and laws that sound good on the surface, but actually do very little. A couple of examples come to mind. One is that many states require children under the age of eighteen to wear helmets when riding a bicycle, and the other is our ridiculous car seat laws. This is what California says about car seats:

Quote

As of January 1, 2012, all children must ride in car seat or booster seat until they are at least 8 years old or at least 4 feet 9 inches tall. In addition, all kids younger than 8 years old, must be secured in the back seat.

[www.dmv.org]

I have not seen any statistical study that demonstrates that either of these kinds of laws actually make our children any safer.

"I have not seen…"

Ah, the old argument from ignorance. Anybody can claim anything after those words. And so they have in this thread and in the OP's article. I'm enjoying the comments in this thread, keep 'em comin'!


I take it that you didn't watch that video.

I read the transcript, including the audience question where Leavitt mentions the medical data which contradicts what he researched. Which means that there are no definitive conclusions to be made. The car seats may do nothing more than line the pockets of executives or they may save lives/reduce accident related trauma. More data points are necessary for a consensus to be reached.
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Posted by: Ombligo
Date: April 14, 2015 01:13PM
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mrlynn

Well said. The enormously well-publicized crimes by child predators have also made parents afraid of letting their kids out of their sight.

/Mr Lynn

I bolded the magic words..

The perverts have always been out there, proportionally probably in about the same numbers as today.

I live near where Jessica Lunsford lived, I covered her disappearance and set up coverage of her killer's trial. It was a local story that got national attention. Why? because the national media was camped out in Clearwater for the Terri Schiavo political circus and it was a down day. All of a sudden a little girl goes missing and the horde descends.

Thanks to 24-hr news cycles, these cases now get national attention. Where it used to be you could go your whole life and not have a local kid stolen, now you hear about every stolen kid anywhere in the nation. It sounds like an epidemic and everyone panics.

People seem incapable of putting things into perspective.

of course I'm a terrible parent because my child would ride a bike without a helmet, walk to school, shoot bb guns, and walk to a friends house without adult accompaniment -- hell, I would even let him swim after eating a sandwich.

gotta go, child welfare is at the door.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 14, 2015 01:18PM
Let's not forget playing with mercury.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: freeradical
Date: April 14, 2015 01:24PM
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Dennis S
Let's not forget playing with mercury.


Hey, I did that. It's really not as dangerous as many people think. It's the organic mercury that you find in seafood that's dangerous. Ask the Japanese about this...
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 14, 2015 03:40PM
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Paul F.
Was it all dangerous? Sure.
But we were raised to THINK. Raised to be CAREFUL. Not raised to never take any risks because some statistician carefully calculated the risks and informed some legal department, insurance agent, the police department, and the NSA, that we shouldn't.

Of COURSE we should have seatbelts, helmets, etc...
But we're doing our collective selves no net benefit to allowing crutches to completely REPLACE and supplant the ability to THINK and look out for our own well being.

The passage above should be tattooed onto the inner eyelids of every person who is or is comtemplating becoming a parent.



It is what it is.
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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: April 14, 2015 05:59PM
The government must keep children safe.

They need them to grow up, otherwise there will be no young people
to fight wars for the old, rich, and powerful coterie...
Because their children damn sure won't do it!
(There's only 81 members of Congress who are Veterans or currently
serving in the military.)



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: davester
Date: April 14, 2015 06:26PM
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freeradical
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Dennis S
Let's not forget playing with mercury.


Hey, I did that. It's really not as dangerous as many people think. It's the organic mercury that you find in seafood that's dangerous. Ask the Japanese about this...

While organic mercury concentrated by the food chain has an extremely high toxicity leading to chronic effects (i.e. gradually causing permanent injury), vapor from metallic mercury is also a potent acute (i.e. fast acting) neurotoxin. It vaporizes at toxic concentrations at room temperature and many people have been poisoned from handling or spilling it. Many dentists have been poisoned this way.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 14, 2015 06:58PM
Fortunately mercury has one of the lowest vapor pressures of any liquid. That said, I remember my organic chemistry prof would immediately leave the classroom lab if a student dropped and broke a thermometer.

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Dennis S
Let's not forget playing with mercury.


Hey, I did that. It's really not as dangerous as many people think. It's the organic mercury that you find in seafood that's dangerous. Ask the Japanese about this...

While organic mercury concentrated by the food chain has an extremely high toxicity leading to chronic effects (i.e. gradually causing permanent injury), vapor from metallic mercury is also a potent acute (i.e. fast acting) neurotoxin. It vaporizes at toxic concentrations at room temperature and many people have been poisoned from handling or spilling it. Many dentists have been poisoned this way.



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Re: No helmets or seat belts? Baby boomers lived dangerously by today's standards
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: April 15, 2015 01:53PM
"Mad as a hatter" origin:

"Mercury was used in the process of curing felt used in some hats, making it impossible for hatters to avoid inhaling the mercury fumes given off during the hat making process; hatters and mill workers thus often suffered mad hatter disease, mercury poisoning causing neurological damage including confused speech and distorted vision."



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