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DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 16, 2016 07:50PM
Deal or Meh? please post that Meh T-shirt. Thanks

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Re: DEAR or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: March 16, 2016 08:16PM
Definitely a Dear! smiley-laughing001

Hey! You corrected the typo! Killjoy!



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 16, 2016 08:42PM
I tried to take a look at FreedomPop a few months ago. Had a ridiculous round trying to get some answers to questions from them. Eventually just gave up.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: March 16, 2016 08:55PM
Maybe I am looking around correctly. Does anyone know if an iPhone 5 GSM will work with this network? They won't show unless you input information about the phone.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 16, 2016 09:46PM
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pRICE cUBE
Maybe I am looking around correctly. Does anyone know if an iPhone 5 GSM will work with this network? They won't show unless you input information about the phone.

That was exactly the question I could not get answered.

FreedomPop uses the Sprint/Clearwire network. I am pretty sure later iPhones can handle pretty much anything, but the iPhone 5 had distinct GSM and CDMA models:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Only LTE overlap was on band 5, and the GSM phones had no CDMA support, whereas the CDMA phones had GSM support so they could be used outside of the U.S.

So I think it's unlikely a straight GSM iPhone 5 (i.e. AT&T/T-Mobile models) would work with FreedomPop.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 16, 2016 10:03PM
I tried to enter my ATT iPhone 5 IMEI and I got an error. They want an EMEI which I assume is the CDMA version of IMEI, but I don't know for sure.
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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: March 16, 2016 10:25PM
The answers on this freedompop website involve a lot of digging and few answers. From what I can gather, you need a GSM phone since it is run off the Sprint Network, I think. I don't have the phone with me to input the info so I can't tell if this iPhone 5 GSM model is compatible.


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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 17, 2016 01:10AM
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pRICE cUBE
From what I can gather, you need a GSM phone since it is run off the Sprint Network, I think.

No, you'd need a CDMA iPhone 5.

Sprint and Verizon are traditionally CDMA, not GSM, carriers. GSM originally used a different technology, TDMA. Until fairly recently Sprint and Verizon phones did not/could not use a SIM card, except for a couple of "international" models that had a GSM phone built in as well for use abroad.

This has changed two ways:

1. LTE (which is a CDMA technology) has been adopted by all the carriers, although not necessarily on the same frequency bands. LTE is now part of the GSM standard.

2. Expensive smartphones like current iPhones contain both older CDMA and older GSM radios, as well as LTE, so a single phone can be made and sold for use on any carrier.

A GSM iPhone 5, even though it's LTE, will likely not work with Sprint. If it worked at all, it could only work where there is an LTE signal - it would be unable to drop down to, for example, a 3G or 2G CDMA signal in an area that does not have LTE. And, again, it only has one of the LTE bands needed for Sprint. There may also be an issue that LTE is only used for data, and voice goes over older CDMA. In which case a GSM iPhone 5 likely would not work at all on Sprint.

(A further wrinkle about the iPhone 5: early GSM models, from AT&T, lacked a frequency that T-Mobile was using for a different 4G system from LTE. When T-Mobile finally got iPhones, Apple started adding that frequency to the phone. So some older, originally AT&T, iPhone 5 models won't work as well on T-Mobile, even though T-Mo has now set up a lot of LTE towers. The other 4G system shows up on a T-Mobile phone as "4G" instead of "LTE", but can be just as fast, or faster, than LTE.)

Good luck.

- Winston



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 17, 2016 01:31AM
ps: Unless what you mean is a Sprint CDMA iPhone 5 that also has GSM. That should work on FreedomPop.

Traditionally the CDMA carriers have been pickier about allowing a phone not made specifically for their network to work on their network. Whereas GSM phones, once unlocked, can work on any GSM network. (Given limits like 2G GSM going away, and supporting necessary frequency bands.)



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 17, 2016 07:40AM
It's great for data & presumably text (I didn't text when using FP).

For voice, well, voice calls are over VOIP & I've never been happy with that on FP or any other MVNO.
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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: March 17, 2016 08:05AM
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Winston
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pRICE cUBE
From what I can gather, you need a GSM phone since it is run off the Sprint Network, I think.

No, you'd need a CDMA iPhone 5.

Sprint and Verizon are traditionally CDMA, not GSM, carriers. GSM originally used a different technology, TDMA. Until fairly recently Sprint and Verizon phones did not/could not use a SIM card, except for a couple of "international" models that had a GSM phone built in as well for use abroad.

This has changed two ways:

1. LTE (which is a CDMA technology) has been adopted by all the carriers, although not necessarily on the same frequency bands. LTE is now part of the GSM standard.

2. Expensive smartphones like current iPhones contain both older CDMA and older GSM radios, as well as LTE, so a single phone can be made and sold for use on any carrier.

A GSM iPhone 5, even though it's LTE, will likely not work with Sprint. If it worked at all, it could only work where there is an LTE signal - it would be unable to drop down to, for example, a 3G or 2G CDMA signal in an area that does not have LTE. And, again, it only has one of the LTE bands needed for Sprint. There may also be an issue that LTE is only used for data, and voice goes over older CDMA. In which case a GSM iPhone 5 likely would not work at all on Sprint.

(A further wrinkle about the iPhone 5: early GSM models, from AT&T, lacked a frequency that T-Mobile was using for a different 4G system from LTE. When T-Mobile finally got iPhones, Apple started adding that frequency to the phone. So some older, originally AT&T, iPhone 5 models won't work as well on T-Mobile, even though T-Mo has now set up a lot of LTE towers. The other 4G system shows up on a T-Mobile phone as "4G" instead of "LTE", but can be just as fast, or faster, than LTE.)

Good luck.

- Winston


Thanks for clearing that up. I saw Sim card and assumed it meant GSM.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 17, 2016 11:09AM
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pRICE cUBE
Thanks for clearing that up. I saw Sim card and assumed it meant GSM.

I can see the confusion. The newer phones that can do both traditional GSM and CDMA have to use (or offer the option for) SIM cards for the GSM part. I don't know if this effectively means that eventually all Verizon and Sprint phones will use SIM cards, since LTE is now part of the GSM standard. Probably they will, as it's needed for international travel, and they won't want to be left out of that, especially if AT&T and T-Mobile offer international on all their phones. Also, the radio chip sets available will probably offer it as a default. But then again, Verizon and Sprint went on for years with phones that mostly did not work abroad, and I understand most cellphones actually contain an FM radio as part of the chip set, but makers rarely enable it.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 17, 2016 11:26AM
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Bill in NC
It's great for data & presumably text (I didn't text when using FP).

For voice, well, voice calls are over VOIP & I've never been happy with that on FP or any other MVNO.


Apparently the calls are not VOIP according to the post at Slick Deals

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FreedomPop Benefits
Free 2GB Plan - 100% Free - unlimited texts, unlimited mins, and 2GBB
Free Premium Voice Service - Make calls using voice network - not over voip
No ads
No social media account required
No contracts or commitments
WiFi calling and texting from anywhere
Free international calling from over 60 countries
Get a new phone number or keep your own
Earn additional free data every month by adding friends
Earn unlimited free data by completing partner offers
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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Winston
Date: March 17, 2016 07:39PM
The confusion on VoIP may be via Clearwire, which used WiMax. Sprint had a tiny number of WiMax compatible phones after it bought Clearwire, but then decided to shut down WiMax and just use LTE. I don't know what voice protocol Clearwire used.



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Re: DEAL or NO DEAL? FreedomPop: BYOD: Unlimited Talk, Text, 2GB of Data Per Month Free ($20 Top-Up Req.)
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 18, 2016 08:49AM
Standard FP free plan probably still uses VOIP for voice.

Still my advice is to test this "premium" plan extensively before using it for your primary phone.
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