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Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 21, 2016 02:23PM
Just tried to use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 2009 iMac 20" with OS 10.6.8. No go.

Message says: Bluetooth module not installed.

How complex is acquisition and installation of a Bluetooth module? If module is external, seems reasonable; if internal—NOT!

Computer is older but works well…



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2016 02:23PM by clyde.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: PeterW
Date: May 21, 2016 02:32PM
That model iMac did not come with Bluetooth built-in. You can buy a USB Bluettoth dongle. Check OWC or Newegg for a suitable model.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Forrest
Date: May 21, 2016 05:20PM
According to lowendmac all 20 inch Intel iMacs have either Bluetooth 2.0 or 2.1 built-in
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 21, 2016 05:51PM
Forrest, I looked @ lowendmac and corroborated that it says 20" iMac has Bluetooth.

Mine is an early 2009 iMac 9,1 with factory 160 GB HD. Tried the BT keyboard and got the message—no BT. Am I doing something wrong?

Checked System Prefs—no BT listed. A later iMac has BT in the Sys Prefs…

Perhaps a BT adapter dongle is needed after all.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: May 21, 2016 06:10PM
That one definitely had BT.

Could be that the BT card blew. 'Happened pretty often on those old iMacs. Could also be software. Sometimes drivers and support files get screwed up.

Install the OS on an external drive and boot from this clean OS. If your BT module is still not recognized then it's probably dead. Easiest solution is a USB BT dongle. The dongles are tiny and usually plug-and-play.

Or...
Replacement instructions:
[www.ifixit.com]



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Forrest
Date: May 21, 2016 07:38PM
Might be quicker to run Apple Hardware Test if you have the Applications disc that shipped with the computer AHT
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 21, 2016 07:45PM
Reset PRAM, maybe built-in Bluetooth works again.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: May 21, 2016 08:00PM
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space-time
Reset PRAM, maybe built-in Bluetooth works again.

Wouldn't hurt to zap PRAM. Might as well try a SMC reset, too.

Shut down. Unplug the Mac for a bit, then plug it back in. Hold down Command+Option+P+R until you hear an extra boot-chime.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2016 08:07PM by Onamuji.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 21, 2016 08:58PM
and on the same note, if this is a 2009 iMac, does it need a new PRAM battery? (assuming that it does have such battery).
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 21, 2016 09:22PM
Zapping PRAM caused no change.
Simple AHT said all's well.
Now running comprehensive AHT.

Seven y-o computer may need a PRAM battery, but installing it is only a shade less involved than transplanting a spine in a human…
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 21, 2016 10:02PM
but installing it is only a shade less involved than transplanting a spine in a human…

POMTL!

That how I feel about adding RAM to my Late-2012 iMac.

Although I think I could to it (add RAM, not transplant a spine) watching the iFixit video as I went along.

At least I wouldn't get dust between the LCD and the screen.




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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: May 22, 2016 02:51AM
System Profiler list Bluetooth?



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: PeterW
Date: May 22, 2016 06:04AM
Lowendmac is wrong. The early 2009 20" iMac had BT, the late 2009 21.5" iMac had BT but the mid 2009 20" did not.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 22, 2016 06:56AM
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RAMd®d
POMTL!

What's POMTL??
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: MartyStickle
Date: May 22, 2016 07:35AM
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clyde
Quote
RAMd®d
POMTL!

What's POMTL??

Don't mess up your shoes...



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: space-time
Date: May 22, 2016 08:15AM
Peeing On My Toes Laughing.

[forums.macresource.com]

Quote
mrlynn
Quote

A post in the thread above may be the first occurance of POMTL, used by Melissa. Perhaps she can confirm this for us?
[dealmac.com]
RE: A Message From Mr. Schiller
Author: Melissa (12.144.199.---)
Date: 07-31-01 16:57

LOL!

POMT....POMT... .Peeing On My Toes laughing

The link didn't work. Was Melissa the first to use the acronym?

Someone on a software-user group forum that I participate in used 'POMTL'. Says she's not a DealMac/MacResource habituée.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: May 22, 2016 01:39PM
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PeterW
Lowendmac is wrong. The early 2009 20" iMac had BT, the late 2009 21.5" iMac had BT but the mid 2009 20" did not.

You're right!

Per MacTracker, both the early and mid 2009 20-inch iMacs were identified as 9,1 and the mid 2009 did not have BT.



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: May 22, 2016 08:22PM
them little USB BT stubs work well.
I bought one some time back for my '06 MacPro1,1.
Works fine even though it isn't "OSX" compatible.
Maybe $10-12.



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 22, 2016 09:06PM
Ordered a USB Bluetooth via NewEgg. Reckon it'll be ok…
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 06, 2016 12:45PM
Received Orico BTA-408 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1DS3XD7342&cm_re=bta-408-_-9SIA1DS3XD7342-_-Product) from China.

Description on Newegg is: ORICO Mini USB Bluetooth 4.0 Adapter for Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8 / 8.1 / Mac OS -Gold (BTA-408)

No action when plugged in. BT keyboard & mouse work with a Mac that has Bluetooth, but not with the one without BT built-in. Orico User manual describes setup for three versions of Windows. No setup instructions for Mac.

Checked Orico website for driver, none shown for BTA-408.

Has anyone used this Bluetooth adapter? Or know whether it will work with a Mac?
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 06, 2016 12:49PM
[orico.cc]

then unzip



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 06, 2016 01:09PM
Maybe with help from you and Bugs Bunny the BTA-408 can be configured to work with the iMac.

I clicked on the link you gave. A folder named WRD150-WRE150 was downloaded. The folder contained three more folders for Linux, Mac, and Windows.

Zowie, thought I, and opened the Mac folder—which has two files. One is named RTUSB D2870-…012_09_28.dmg. Opening that one shows three items:
1) 802.1x Instructions on Mac OS X.pdf
2) USBWireless-Install.pkg
3) USBWireless-Uninstall.pkg

When I opened the 802.1x instructions I didn't understand what to do.

Opining the USBWireless-Install.pkg produces the message: "USBWireless-Install.pkg" can't be opened because it is from an unidentified developer."

I'm stumped. What next??
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 06, 2016 01:12PM
sys prefs/security & privacy/general

unlock and change the bottom half to anywhere. assuming you're on Mavs.

I'd bet you need a restart after the install. And a disc repair for safety.

I make no promises …… YMMD



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 06, 2016 01:15PM
my bad. that link is for their WiFi module.

[orico.cc]

That's the BT module. Perhaps the dl will reveal the same sort of packaging…. with an OSX version.

I can't check here as the facility WiFi crawls.



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 06, 2016 01:17PM
What's the dl? Dealer??
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 06, 2016 01:19PM
sorry, download. alternatively, try plugging it in and restarting. Maybe it'll be "native".
worth a shot.

then there's this, though more complex.
[justhackme.wordpress.com]



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 06, 2016 01:55PM
Quote
Fritz
sys prefs/security & privacy/general

unlock and change the bottom half to anywhere. assuming you're on Mavs.

I'd bet you need a restart after the install. And a disc repair for safety.

The iMac has 10.6.8. Restarted it with BT adapter installed. No sign of it. Guess it ain't "native."

No Allow apps from anywhere in 10.6 Preferences/Security…
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 06, 2016 08:26PM
Any other suggestions on obtaining a driver or otherwise getting the BTA-408 to operate?

Thanks!
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 07, 2016 08:27AM
[discussions.apple.com]

[discussions.apple.com]


haven't tried either and, of course, I can't state for their veracity, but …..

also, did you try "about this Mac"/Sys profile to see if it shows up there?
It may even without a driver.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2016 08:28AM by Fritz.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 08, 2016 07:06AM
here is some more reading for you. I tired to find the driver for my old BT driver from 10.6.8 (thinking that it's a universal thing) but I can't.

[www.geekguides.co.uk]

[support.apple.com]

[discussions.apple.com]

[hec.su]
"Compatible with Mac, but not support data transfer on Mac OS)"

finally, another option is to find your 10.6.8 install and extract the BT installer with Pacifist.
But honestly, I think the quote from the device page above, says it all.



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 08, 2016 07:58AM
Thanks, Fritz. I've already wasted too much time on this thing.

A key point was that, after initial contact with Chinese seller Orico, no further word was received.

I'll return it, and hope to get one that actually operates.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 08, 2016 08:01AM
good choice



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 08, 2016 10:52AM
this is the only one I found that says 10.6 compatible.
It has links to drivers that actually download as well.

[goo.gl]



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 08, 2016 08:15PM
Followed your advice, ordered one of those from Monoprice.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 16, 2016 11:09AM
Received the Monoprice adapter.

It won't work—it's for an LAN, not bluetooth.

Groooaan!
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 16, 2016 11:39AM
bummer. my bad. but it seems that your iMac should have a built in BT. Either that module has died (and yes a DIY replacement would be a RPITA) or for some reason, the OS isn't recognizing it.


try reading here which pertains to corrupt file.



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 16, 2016 11:41AM
Quote
Onamuji
Quote
PeterW
Lowendmac is wrong. The early 2009 20" iMac had BT, the late 2009 21.5" iMac had BT but the mid 2009 20" did not.

You're right!

Per MacTracker, both the early and mid 2009 20-inch iMacs were identified as 9,1 and the mid 2009 did not have BT.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 16, 2016 11:58AM
if yours is indeed an early 2009, it had BT, but not the mid. As confirmed by MacTracker above, and I just checked. What does your system report say ?



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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: June 16, 2016 12:01PM
In Hardware there's an entry for bluetooth. Selecting it shows "No information found."
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: June 16, 2016 12:13PM
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clyde
In Hardware there's an entry for bluetooth. Selecting it shows "No information found."

which is what leads me to believe there is BT, however the module may have died. Seems to be an issue.
Can you post a snap of the top page of your system report?


perhaps you local Staples has this in stock.

And this to read as well.
[www.macbreaker.com]



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2016 12:17PM by Fritz.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: clyde
Date: July 13, 2016 05:59PM
Just received the third Bluetooth adapter.

First was from China, when tech support requested—dead silence. Returned for refund.

Second was actually a LAN adapter. Returned for refund.

The third is a USB Bluetooth Adapter with EDR support, USBBT2EDR2. Got it from StarTech.com

In online chat w StarTech I asked if driver was needed to use the adapter with Mac & OS 10.6. Guy says it won't work w 10.6; needs 10.8 or higher. OK, I have OS 10.9—upgrade can be done.

Then I asked if the later OS (10.9, for example) would require a driver.
He says the OS will have the appropriate driver.

But the latest fly in the ointment is that he claims that Bluetooth will work after I "pair the keyboard and mouse."

I ask how to do that—he doesn't know. Says contact Apple.

Is it possible to get the Apple bluetooth mouse & keyboard to work with the Mac or should I return the latest adapter and forget this damnably frustrating Bluetooth?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/2016 06:01PM by clyde.
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Re: Bluetooth module?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: July 13, 2016 08:08PM
it should be. If you'd like, I can TeamViewer with you to get you thru it.

System prefs/Bluetooth/Advanced/Allow BT devices to wake this computer.

see what that gets you.

If that doesn't work, check about this Mac/More Info/System Report/Bluetooth



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