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tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 04, 2017 05:12PM
I spent most of the day car shopping. You know its going to be exhausting but you don't know why.

I have a fondness for the vw golf that i'm afraid might lead me astray but several signs point to it being a vey nice car. (those signs being pretty much ever review i've read and experiences from friends) the golf speedwagon is just the golf plus a little more and very well done.

I went to a toyota dealer, a honda dealer, and the vw dealer. only the vw dealer could arrange for me to go for a test drive. I sat in the prius v, rav4, cr-v and hr-v. honda seemed like a step up from toyota and vw was a step above honda as far as the interiors were concerned. the cr-v definitely has more room in the back seats than the golf wagon but i'm not sure if we really need it. the hr-v is interesting but i'm not sure someone 2 inches taller than me could sit in the back.

frankly, because of the bs "make an appt several days in advance" bit from toyota and honda, i might use zipcar to rent them for an hour. seems more efficient.

so, tell me why going with a golf speedwagen is a bad idea 'cause i'm having trouble coming up with reasons against it.

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ALSO, there's what appears to be a very good deal locally, used, private sale - [newyork.craigslist.org]

How should I cover my bases before I consider buying this car?



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: davester
Date: March 04, 2017 05:40PM
Nice driving car. However, the reliability data on Consumer Reports puts it at 20 out of 100, pretty poor. Everybody I've known with a recent VW complains about the electrical and fuel system problems.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: testcase
Date: March 04, 2017 06:28PM
A mechanic I trust told me that a simple brake job on a VW could go about $800! smiley-shocked003
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 04, 2017 06:32PM
It's a Volkswagon.



It is what it is.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: March 04, 2017 06:33PM
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davester
Nice driving car. However, the reliability data on Consumer Reports puts it at 20 out of 100, pretty poor. Everybody I've known with a recent VW complains about the electrical and fuel system problems.

This.



It is what it is.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Ammo
Date: March 04, 2017 07:06PM
I noticed on the Craigslist ad that it has a lien. I'm not sure what that means.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: numbered
Date: March 04, 2017 07:10PM
As testcase says, German vehicle maintenance is MUCH more expensive than other cars. If you plan a lease then it is not an issue. But if you expect to own it a while, it is worth considering these costs.

No Subaru?
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 04, 2017 07:19PM
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Ammo
I noticed on the Craigslist ad that it has a lien. I'm not sure what that means.

Probably means the seller has a car loan on the car that has to be released.

Actually, looking at the description of "out of state owner" and being a recent model that is unregistered, too many flags on the listing. Who exactly is this "for sale by owner" doing the listing.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: hal
Date: March 04, 2017 07:22PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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davester
Nice driving car. However, the reliability data on Consumer Reports puts it at 20 out of 100, pretty poor. Everybody I've known with a recent VW complains about the electrical and fuel system problems.

This.

I have NEVER met a happy VW owner except that hippie dude who is in love with his Westphalia.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 04, 2017 07:30PM
heh, i ran into a college prof who was trading in his recalled vehicle today. he loved his and hopes he loves the next one as much.
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hal
I have NEVER met a happy VW owner except that hippie dude who is in love with his Westphalia.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 04, 2017 07:31PM
Theres a guy up the street from me that has 3 VWs -- a Golf, a Tiguan and a cabriolet.

But he works for VW. smiley-shocked003



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: nwyaker
Date: March 04, 2017 07:31PM
Wait until you get there and then look for something at least two years old. No pressure, less hassle and a better deal.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: March 04, 2017 07:35PM
Matt,

Wouldn't go near it. Expensive to insure. Expensive to repair. Unreliable. Why would you want that combination in a car that you'll use to transport your family? There are more than enough alternatives to this model that if I were you, I avoid it.

Robert



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: fmgtech
Date: March 04, 2017 07:36PM
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mattkime
heh, i ran into a college prof who was trading in his recalled vehicle today. he loved his and hopes he loves the next one as much.
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hal
I have NEVER met a happy VW owner except that hippie dude who is in love with his Westphalia.

I owned two Karmann Ghias and loved them.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 04, 2017 07:37PM
Sounds like its time to drive a Subaru.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: nwyaker
Date: March 04, 2017 07:45PM
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mattkime
Sounds like its time to drive a Subaru.

Mazda 3
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: March 04, 2017 07:51PM
The RAV4 may be a bit boring compared to some others, but it's comfortable, roomy, reliable and easy to maintain. Toyota is the current leader in the fewest-headaches vehicle category.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: March 04, 2017 07:59PM
Have you seen the Mazda CX-5, Ford C-Max, and Subaru Crosstrek? The RAV4 has a bunch more room than those but the mileage is lower if you don't get the RAV4 Hybrid.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: March 04, 2017 08:09PM
a friend just turned in her TDi and was extremely sad to see it go. no major problems, and the car was a 2009, IIRC.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: March 04, 2017 08:13PM
Per Consumer Reports: ""Comes very close to being a car that can do it all"
It looks like the 2016 Golf's reliability was sabotaged by a faulty sound system.

I loved my Golf III. I test drove Hondas, Toyotas, Fords, but bought the Golf immediately after the test drive. It was reliable for 7 years, then fell apart. I nonetheless do not regret the purchase; I had 7 fun years with it.

I love my 2006 Jetta 2.0T. Great engine, great handling. I prefer driving it far more than driving my friend's Acura. Turbo problem at 70,000 miles cost $800, otherwise it has been reliable. Dealer gave a free loaner car, so only minor inconvenience.

You have to love your car. A reliable car you don't enjoy driving is not a good purchase.
That said, if money is tight enough that you don't want to spend money on servicing/maintenance, don't get a VW.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 04, 2017 08:14PM
please consider a chevy volt. i love the 2013 i picked up last november. assuming you'll be living some where you can charge it it's a great vehicles. EV range is 40+ miles depending upon the year and the extended gas range is 40 mpg. truly the best of both worlds. northern drivers report it handles beautifully in the snow.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: March 04, 2017 08:22PM
If you want a car that you can drive for 80k without doing much to it, don't get a VW. Yes, maintenance costs are higher. Subaru, Honda and Toyota will all be less expensive.

That said, I know plenty of people with VWs who love them and don't have any of the issues mentioned above. Some are even older (eg early 2000's) models with 200k+ on them and they're still going strong. In 2012 I bought a 2009 GTI with over 100k on it and it was a GREAT car. But I also tracked down the service records and made sure it was well maintained.

One of the issues that has plagued VWs are the electronics. There's two reasons for this. One is that if you don't bother to properly maintain the vehicle, the plenum drains can clog. That often results in water getting into a few control units. To anyone I've heard with electronic issues and I've asked "did you clean the plenum drains?" they respond with something like "The what? Would they do that at Jiffy Lube?"

Newer models don't have this problem as much as older ones do.

The second reason is an issue which exists in many makes and models. Some electronics are under the front passenger or rear foot wells. Meaning, if you drop a bunch of snow in, spill a big gulp, let some clueless "detailer" shampoo the carpet improperly... those electronics will get wet.

Personally, I'd pick a VW over a Subaru, Honda or Toyota. The cheap VW seats are more comfortable than the highest end available from Subaru. There's so many little things that VW has figured out that for some reason those other three don't do. One of the last times I was looking at a car I sat in the highest end Civic they had and the seats were horrible.

For the most part, and depending on the model, VWs will handle and drive much better than the other three. For buying a used one, I wouldn't go older than 2010 and I wouldn't buy one without service records. One of the most common engines they use is a 2.0T, which from late 2009 on is pretty bullet proof. That said, depending on the oil used (eg if they took it to jiffy lube and got crappy oil), how often they checked it and how often they changed it, that motor might be lucky to get to 100k, or go past 200k with ease.




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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mstudio
Date: March 04, 2017 09:06PM
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hal
I have NEVER met a happy VW owner except that hippie dude who is in love with his Westphalia.

I have owned mostly VWs in my driving career (bought my first car in 1968). I might be that hippie dude you are talking about sine I've owned a few Westies. Having said that, I really don't know why VWs get such a bad rap. One of the largest automakers in the world, been around forever. I drive a 2002 VW Eurovan that has over 270K miles on it and I've only had to do normal maintenance, brakes, battery, tires, oil changes...Just had to have the alternator replaced for the first time. It cost me just under 200 bucks. Starter last year (replaced original), another 200 bucks. It still runs and handles as new, no rattles, no nuttin'.

I also own a Forester with half of the mileage and although I like it just fine, it's like driving around in a tin can compared to my older Eurovan.

I'll take a German car over a Japanese car any day of the week.

But what do I know...
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Bimwad
Date: March 04, 2017 09:42PM
If you expect the vehicle to run, and be treated like an appliance, stay away from the VW, or any European car, for that matter.

For all their considerable charms, they will not tolerate neglect or substandard maintenance, and repairs can get expensive.

Even if carefully maintained, the highly touted German engineers have their bad days, can get too indulgent, or simply have brain fades in some their designs.

V.AG doesn't treat VWoA well, and that's reflected in the dealer body as a whole, which is generally not well regarded.

That said, there are plenty for whom those aforementioned charms, and other intangibles are well worth the effort and cost. Just be aware of what you're getting into.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 04, 2017 09:49PM
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graylocks
please consider a chevy volt

my father has one and loves it so i understand the appeal but the back seat seems kind of cramped. my standard for a "big enough" car is that i could sit comfortably in the back seat after adjusting the driver's seat so i could drive. further, i'd like a hatchback.

otherwise i agree with you and look forward to the day when i no longer visit gas stations.

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one more thing - we don't yet have a place in madison and therefore don't know about outlet accessibility near parking.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Cary
Date: March 04, 2017 09:50PM
I was looking for a car for my kids, narrowed the choices down to a Jetta, Golf/Rabbit or Mazda3. Ended up with the Jetta. It's been great.

Also had 3 Passats - never had any problems with them. Lastly, owned a VW Scirocco.

Not sure why VWs get such a bad rap. I find them to be well built, fun to drive, and reliable.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: March 04, 2017 10:00PM
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Bimwad
V.AG doesn't treat VWoA well, and that's reflected in the dealer body as a whole, which is generally not well regarded.

We're getting a little off topic, and I'm not sure if there's something specific you're referring to, but for the most part V.AG lets VWoA do what it wants. The lack of selection and options is VWoA's choosing, not V.AG's.

Edit: Now I get why you put the dot in V.AG.




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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 04, 2017 10:03PM
One thing I like about the car you linked to is that it has leatherette. Don't get cloth seats in a car for Wisconsin because you and/or your wife will hate the static discharge when you slide out of your car in the dead of winter. When I was buying my new Jetta it had cloth seats and I had the dealer reupholster it with leatherette before I even picked it up.

I just posted about saying goodbye to my VW Jetta:

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I still have my very reliable 2004 VW Passat Diesel. I love the car and because it is a wagon and has a trailer hitch, it is very versatile. KBB private party is still $4,000. I could probably get $5,000 if my Jetta was any indication.

I do my own routine maintenance like oil changes and brakes. Any other needed service and it goes into the dealer. Mine have been pretty reliable although the 100k timing belt change sucks. Still, they go and go.

Having said that, I suggest you take graylocks' advice:

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graylocks
please consider a chevy volt. i love the 2013 i picked up last november. assuming you'll be living some where you can charge it it's a great vehicles. EV range is 40+ miles depending upon the year and the extended gas range is 40 mpg. truly the best of both worlds. northern drivers report it handles beautifully in the snow.

We have a 2013 Volt. It is our daily driver. It is the nicest all-around car I have owned including a few Caddies and Mercedes back in the day. The drive system is warranted for 100k miles. It handles great, with plenty of go in Sport mode. I used to say once you go Diesel you never go back. Well, once you go electric you never go back. Get the highest of the four trim levels.

Buy in Wisconsin and save money including less sales tax.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: March 04, 2017 11:05PM
More important question. What kind of crappy dealer can't get test drives when a customer comes in? That is just stupid behavior. Never going to sell a car that way. I'd find different dealers for those brands. I've never been to a dealer that won't give test drives.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Mr645
Date: March 05, 2017 12:12AM
I love driving German cars, but I'll never own 1 that's not under warranty.
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: rob banzai
Date: March 05, 2017 04:07AM
Driving a 2016 Golf right now and it's great. It replaced the 2003 Jetta I drove for 13 years with few problems. VWs haven't been generally troublesome since the early 2000s but people love repeating old information that makes them feel smart.



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Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 05, 2017 04:55AM
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C(-)ris
More important question. What kind of crappy dealer can't get test drives when a customer comes in? That is just stupid behavior. Never going to sell a car that way. I'd find different dealers for those brands. I've never been to a dealer that won't give test drives.

Likely you have never bought a car in NYC. My guess, probably NYC is not a place to test drive any vehicle. Perhaps the dealer has one of its drivers take you to a quiet part of the city where you can get behind the wheel and these dealers did not have anyone available.



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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Robert M
Date: March 05, 2017 07:48AM
Speedy,

I wouldn't test drive a vehicle in Manhattan itself. Queens and nearby Long Island, sure. Never an issue getting test drives. Once I've own to a specific vehicle, I'd definitely visit a Manhattan dealership if they had it for the right price. But, for the test drive, not a chance.

That said, once I've narrowed my choices down to a few specific vehicles, I'd visit a car rental place and rent each one for a few days. That way, I could get a real world experience driving each one. It's how I knew the RAV4 wasn't the right vehicle for me. Great car except for one compelling issue. It was too noisy. That was enough for me to take the Mazda CX-7 over it. The RAV4 was a perfect vehicle otherwise.

Robert
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Posted by: max
Date: March 05, 2017 05:15PM
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Robert M
Speedy,

I wouldn't test drive a vehicle in Manhattan itself. Queens and nearby Long Island, sure.... if they had it for the right price. But, for the test drive, not a chance.


I always found the potholed streets of Manhattan abd the real life traffic rallyin to be the perfect test drive circuit for trying out a car.....
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: March 05, 2017 09:00PM
Don't buy a new or used VW.

Lease it - VW often has attractive lease offers.

And you're turning it back in before the warranty runs out...
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Re: tell me why i shouldn't get a vw golf sportwagen / how to buy a car privately (part of the 'how do i leave nyc?' series)
Posted by: Harbourmaster
Date: March 06, 2017 08:33PM
Nothing wrong with the recent VW's. I wouldn't buy anything older than 2013 though.

And buy your car at your new place, you will pay less for it as well as less on sales tax etc and won't have to hassle with getting the license changed when you get there so one less trip to the DMV!



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