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And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: DP
Date: September 11, 2017 07:43AM
Sixteen years ago today...



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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: robfilms
Date: September 11, 2017 07:54AM
845am-the chimes just went off here in nyc.

they are now reading the nearly 3k names.

several friends, neighbors and fellow congregants.

i put the flag out on the terrace.

i did not turn it upside down as i did on july 4th.

i am always blue on this day.

i figured this was how my dad felt in the 1960s and 1970s about dec 7, 1941.

be well.

rob



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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: 3d
Date: September 11, 2017 08:07AM
Sunny bright blue skies here in NYC as it was 16 years ago today.
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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 11, 2017 08:22AM
cry smiley
I weep for the dead and wounded from the attack.
I weep for the dead and wounded from the wars that still rage as a result of the attack.
I weep for the sanity of the world.
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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: Buck
Date: September 11, 2017 12:49PM
I'll never forget the shock, when turned on the TV in my hotel room that morning.
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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: GuyGene
Date: September 11, 2017 02:09PM
This started a looong time ago:

SEPTEMBER 11, 1565: Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent dominated the Mediterranean, with intentions of not only invading Sicily, Sardinia, Majorca, and southern Spain, but Rome itself.

The Turks attacked again and again, even reducing one of their fortresses to rubble, but the Knights kept fighting, resolved to save Western Civilization.

Finally, Dragut was killed and the Muslims sailed away on SEPTEMBER 11, 1565.

SEPTEMBER 11, 1683:
Sultan Mehmed IV sent over 138,000 Muslim Ottoman Turks to surround Vienna, Austria, led by General Mustafa Pasha. For two months they starved the 11,000 Hapsburg-Austrian defender. Sultan Mehmed IV sent the message to Austrian King, Leopold I: "Await us in your residence...so we can decapitate you."

Polish King Jan Sobieski gathered 81,000 Polish, Austrian and German troops and led a surprise attack on SEPTEMBER 11, 1683. They made one of the largest charges in history, 38,350 cavalry and dragoons. Soldiers had made wings for their backs which made a thunderous noise when they charged, causing the Turks to flee in confusion.

Hilaire Belloc (1870-1953) wrote in The Great Heresies (1938): "Less than 100 years before the American War of Independence a Mohammedan army was threatening to overrun and destroy Christian civilization... Vienna was almost taken and only saved by the Christian army under the command of the King of Poland on a date that ought to be among the most famous in history - SEPTEMBER 11, 1683."

SEPTEMBER 11, 1697
Muslim Ottoman Turks dominated Belgrade, Serbia, since 1521. In 1691, Austria helped free Belgrade, but Muslim Ottoman Turks recaptured it and razed the city's buildings to the ground.

SEPTEMBER 11, 2001:
Islamic terrorists hijacked passenger jets. Two were flown into New York's World Trade Center, one into the Pentagon and one crashed in Pennsylvania. President Bush stated: "Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended," That evening, President Bush stated: "Thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil, despicable acts of terror. Pictures of planes flying into buildings, fires burning, huge structures collapsing have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness and a quiet, unyielding anger."

On Dec. 12, 2011, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton began a 3 day closed door meeting with the OIC, promising to support their Istanbul Process to universally "criminalize" speech insulting Islam, effectively enforcing "dhimmi" status on non-Muslims worldwide. By definition, the Christian Gospel insults Islam. If someone in a Shariah controlled country proclaims Jesus Christ more than a prophet--but also the Son of God who died on the cross to pay for the sins of the world--it would mean the death penalty. In fact, all speech contrary to Islam insults Islam. At the end of the meeting, OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu stated: "The Istanbul Process initiated with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton...must be carried forward." Clinton added: "We now need to move to implementation." In the following months, Hillary Clinton's State Department ignored repeated requests for security by Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya. He was killed with several others in the Benghazi attack on SEPTEMBER 11, 2012.

The night of the attack, Secretary Clinton's State Department blamed a video, and the shortly after sent memos to YouTube and Google recommending they censor speech insulting Islam, consistent with promises made at the OIC Istanbul Process meeting.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice added to this narrative, as did President Obama when he told the U.N. General Assembly, Sept. 25, 2012: "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

I have studied and researched this a lot. All I'm saying is that September 11, 2001 was NOT the first of this hatred against anything non Islam.



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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: September 11, 2017 04:26PM
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3d
Sunny bright blue skies here in NYC as it was 16 years ago today.

It was, in retrospect, an obscenely beautiful fall day. There wasn't a cloud in the sky over the entire country. Until.

I remember driving to work that morning, before dawn. The top story on the local news station was Michael Jordan coming out of retirement. I said to myself, "This is a seriously slow news day."

I'd left a job at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, FL a few months earlier. Tyndall was one of the three sites with fighter jets on alert that morning. The other two were Rome, NY and Tacoma, WA. Six armed F-16's, and that was it. We thought history was over, and the idea of an attack on the continental US was until that morning next-to unthinkable.

I watched the day unfold on the internet (when it worked, which wasn't often in 2001) like everybody else. But back at Tyndall, a base-wide call went out for everybody who'd ever worked in the Ammo flight of the 83D Fighter Weapons Squadron to report to the bomb dump immediately.

Tyndall was (and is) the home of the Weapon Systems Evaluation Program (WSEP), which fires hundreds of air-to-air missiles a year against drones to evaluate the true capabilities of Air Force fighters and missiles. My job at the 83D up until that May had been the "civilian AMRAAM guy" in the WSEP test squadron.

The AMRAAMs and Sidewinders in the bomb dump had been converted from war rounds to test missiles. The warheads had been removed and replaced with telemetry transmitters. The Ammo guys and gals immediately started converting them back. They labored around the clock for many days until all those test rounds were live missiles again. As you can imagine with live ordinance, it was difficult, painstaking work.

The F-15 training squadron at Tyndall (replaced today with F-22's), were the first jets to take off with those new red rounds. Students and instructor pilots who'd never flown with live ammunition before were sent out to protect New Orleans, Jacksonville, Orlando, Birmingham, Atlanta and other sites.

That invented-on-the-fly mission became Noble Eagle, which continues (in somewhat different fashion) to this day.



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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 11, 2017 04:43PM
It was the day we began to give up our rights and gave in to fear. The terrorists won.



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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: RE:up
Date: September 11, 2017 05:50PM
Every year I watch This, and remember.
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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 12, 2017 11:00AM
By the time I woke up on the West Coast on Sept 11th. the world had already changed.
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Re: And, lest we forget: September 11th, 2001.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 12, 2017 11:40AM
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