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Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: DP
Date: June 13, 2018 09:54AM
California’s 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent’s edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.

If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.


Enough citizens wanted it to get it on the ballot. What do our Left Coaster's think? Anyone sign the petition?

[www.latimes.com]




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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 13, 2018 10:01AM
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 13, 2018 10:01AM
....heard about this on morning show.....interesting......wonder if it will go through.......



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 13, 2018 10:14AM
It's a stupid plan. If you want to split California, there need to be two areas. Rural and urban coastal. The yellow area needs to include San Diego, the Bay Area, Sacramento, and the I-80 corridor up through Sacramento. Everything else is the rural areas of California.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 13, 2018 10:34AM
Qui bono ?
What does Tim Draper stand to earn for this ? Or is he just planning on dropping the yellow bits into the sea with a stolen nuclear missile ?

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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: jonny
Date: June 13, 2018 10:36AM
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freeradical
It's a stupid plan. If you want to split California, there need to be two areas. Rural and urban coastal. The yellow area needs to include San Diego, the Bay Area, Sacramento, and the I-80 corridor up through Sacramento. Everything else is the rural areas of California.

Agreed. I would totally vote for that!
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 13, 2018 10:44AM
I'll only vote for it if some other part keeps San Francisco.



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: sekker
Date: June 13, 2018 11:04AM
If it gets approved, Texas will split into five states.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: June 13, 2018 11:18AM
As an Angeleno, I'd like to add San Diego to Coastal CA but the north can take or leave the Bay area, whichever.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Gareth
Date: June 13, 2018 11:24AM
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jonny
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freeradical
It's a stupid plan. If you want to split California, there need to be two areas. Rural and urban coastal. The yellow area needs to include San Diego, the Bay Area, Sacramento, and the I-80 corridor up through Sacramento. Everything else is the rural areas of California.

Agreed. I would totally vote for that!

I also agree (not that I would vote for any plan to split CA), but the reason why that and previous plans failed is probably because:

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Draper’s campaign website argues the three states would have reasonably similar household incomes and enough industries to produce their own viable economies. It was that issue — economic sustainability — that helped fell two of Draper’s previous efforts in 2012 and 2014 to create six California states. Critics said some of the more rural regions would suffer from extraordinary rates of poverty as individual states, while coastal communities would flourish in new, smaller states where the lion’s share of California tax revenue is generated.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Buck
Date: June 13, 2018 11:31AM
If you split Alaska in half, Texas will be the 3rd largest state.
(or so I heard from Alaskan friend)
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Buzz
Date: June 13, 2018 11:46AM
Didn't sign the petition (unless the canvassers for some other petitions that I did sign lied about what they were really for...) and won't vote for it. Incredibly poor idea.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: GGD
Date: June 13, 2018 11:51AM
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jonny
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freeradical
It's a stupid plan. If you want to split California, there need to be two areas. Rural and urban coastal. The yellow area needs to include San Diego, the Bay Area, Sacramento, and the I-80 corridor up through Sacramento. Everything else is the rural areas of California.

Agreed. I would totally vote for that!

I don't think think that would fit with the goal of trying to equalize the population of the separate states. Rural vs Urban would be very lopsided.

Would be interesting when parents in LA need to pay out of state tuition to send their kids to UC San Diego, UC Irvine, and UC Riverside in Southern California, or UC Berkeley, UC San Francisco, UC Santa Cruz, UC Davis, and UC Merced in Northern California.

But they have UCLA and UC Santa Barbara to choose from.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: vision63
Date: June 13, 2018 12:05PM
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cbelt3
Qui bono ?
What does Tim Draper stand to earn for this ? Or is he just planning on dropping the yellow bits into the sea with a stolen nuclear missile ?


Another example of the hubris of the wealthy white man to waste everyone's time with the impossible and take center stage.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 13, 2018 12:46PM
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cbelt3
Qui bono ?

Well, I go there with some trepidation, since I don't want to send this to the other side, but I suspect the rural central valley folks (and others) are hoping to get some new Republican congresspeople out of the deal.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: June 13, 2018 01:23PM
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pdq
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cbelt3
Qui bono ?

Well, I go there with some trepidation, since I don't want to send this to the other side, but I suspect the rural central valley folks (and others) are hoping to get some new Republican congresspeople out of the deal.

Republican divide-and-conquer?

Sorry, political. wall smiley
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: jdc
Date: June 13, 2018 01:26PM
Im sure people way smarterer than us with a ton more info picked these splits based on a bunch of facts, stats and whatever else, but i would not want to live in "So Cal" with this split.

Besides San Diego, the rest is purely rural and low income -- the oklahoma/north dakota for the west coast.

San Bernadino county is bigger than vermont and new hampshoire combined -- but filled with soemthing like 2 million people. Rural.



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: jonny
Date: June 13, 2018 01:28PM
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jdc
Im sure people way smarterer than us with a ton more info picked these splits based on a bunch of facts, stats and whatever else, but i would not want to live in "So Cal" with this split.

Besides San Diego, the rest is purely rural and low income -- the oklahoma/north dakota for the west coast.

San Bernadino county is bigger than vermont and new hampshoire combined -- but filled with soemthing like 2 million people. Rural.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: tortoise
Date: June 13, 2018 01:32PM
First thought that comes to my mind is triplications of all the bureaucratic functions we already have in this single state. Would it not appear that each new state would require its own government, courts, etc. Frankly it strikes me as a stupid idea that would only create more useless bureaucratic jobs, essentially a parasitic drain on the resources created by the honest working folks that actually contribute something useful to the rest of us!



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: saintyohann
Date: June 13, 2018 01:38PM
I'm sorry, I can't get behind any split that has Southern California more north than regular California and Northern California.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: hal
Date: June 13, 2018 01:42PM
stupid - won't get anywhere neat passing and even if it does, it's meaningless. US congress would have to approve and they can't agree on anything.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: June 13, 2018 02:01PM
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DeusxMac
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pdq
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cbelt3
Qui bono ?

Well, I go there with some trepidation, since I don't want to send this to the other side, but I suspect the rural central valley folks (and others) are hoping to get some new Republican congresspeople out of the deal.

Republican divide-and-conquer?

Sorry, political. wall smiley

This was my assumption from the first time I heard about it.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 13, 2018 02:04PM
Hal has it

Three states, so there would be four additional senators, only one area would possibly go Republican. So the Senate goes from 100 to 104, given the current 50-50 split, at beast it would be 52-52, but could just as easily be 53-51 in either direction. Neither party likes to gamble, so it won't fly any more than Puerto Rico statehood.

The last time a state divided was 1863 when West Virginia split off from Virginia. That was more about the Civil War than any other reason.



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: davester
Date: June 13, 2018 02:26PM
There are pros and cons to splitting up the state. The main pro to my mind is that California has one of the lowest per capita representations in the Federal senate, so adding senators would be good. There is no way that the founders could have imagined how disparate and undemocratic the representation would become. This would be better dealt with at the Federal level by expanding the number of senators from populous states as compared to states composed of mainly empty land with cows.

The cons are almost too numerous to count.

Regardless, that map makes no sense to me. Monterey area is totally disconnected both culturally and physically from LA. Same thing with San Diego and the eastern desert counties.



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: bfd
Date: June 13, 2018 02:29PM
Any idiot with enough money can get something on the ballot here in California, and that's exactly what happened… too bad that money wasn't spent on something more worthwhile.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Pat
Date: June 13, 2018 05:09PM
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bfd
Any idiot with enough money can get something on the ballot here in California, and that's exactly what happened… too bad that money wasn't spent on something more worthwhile.

Like a high speed train?
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 13, 2018 09:35PM
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Pat
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bfd
Any idiot with enough money can get something on the ballot here in California, and that's exactly what happened… too bad that money wasn't spent on something more worthwhile.

Like a high speed train?

$93 Billion and counting for a $7 Billion project.



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: Pat
Date: June 13, 2018 11:08PM
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Paul F.
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Pat
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bfd
Any idiot with enough money can get something on the ballot here in California, and that's exactly what happened… too bad that money wasn't spent on something more worthwhile.

Like a high speed train?

$93 Billion and counting for a $7 Billion project.

And counting, and counting, and counting
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 13, 2018 11:14PM
$93 Billion would pay for a lot of real public transportation.

Like city buses.
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: wave rider
Date: June 14, 2018 08:37AM
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bfd
Any idiot with enough money can get something on the ballot here in California, and that's exactly what happened… too bad that money wasn't spent on something more worthwhile.

agree smiley



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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: 3d
Date: June 14, 2018 09:23AM
Wait for the End of Days Mega Earthquake to hit along the San Andreas Fault Line. See where it naturally splits and then sort it out afterwards.

The yellow area follows the fault line pretty closely already. Just keep going down to include the San Diego and the coast. Or are they trying to be fair and include some coastline for Southern Cali just for the heck of it?
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Re: Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot
Posted by: AllGold
Date: June 14, 2018 03:48PM
I don't think it should be split. If it were, however, I'm inclined to think it should be in two with a north and south. Possibly along that series of county lines north of Bakersfield.

But again, I don't think it should be split up. And I'm not a Californian so what do I know?



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