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Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 11, 2018 02:58PM
And I called it when back on July 4: "Frankly if I was to attempt it (and I am not a rescue/recovery expert) - I would the sedate the boy into unconsciousness, and treat it like a body recovery. Just push him though with no regard to comfort - a singular goal of getting the body out."

Turns out I wasn't too far off. The boys were sedated, strapped to a gurney and pulled through. Here is a video showing some of the process -- [edition.cnn.com]

Here is a diagram showing what was done (however, in reality the cave was very tight in places, and the water was muddy giving visibility measured in inches, not feet)


I'm sure the movie will have better quality and soundtrack. There are already movie producers on the ground in Thailand



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: decay
Date: July 11, 2018 03:06PM
Ron Howard directing, Tom Hanks as their coach?



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: 3d
Date: July 11, 2018 03:06PM
For what it's worth, I called the movie.

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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: decay
Date: July 11, 2018 03:10PM
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3d
For what it's worth, I called the movie.

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so weird, never saw your original post and picked Hanks also.



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: samintx
Date: July 11, 2018 04:15PM
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3d
For what it's worth, I called the movie.

[forums.macresource.com]

your title for the movie?
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 11, 2018 04:24PM
Ombligo,
Good call. And thank you for being the local expert during this. Your commentary was exceptionally informative.
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 11, 2018 04:41PM
Well, they all got out. I'm disappointed that media is trying to frame this as some kind of cover-up or deception. God forbid we have any happy news in this modern world.



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 11, 2018 04:45PM
Whatever works, and I am glad it did.





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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: Ammo
Date: July 11, 2018 05:19PM
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decay
Ron Howard directing, Tom Hanks as their coach?

smiley-shocked003 CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!!!



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: July 11, 2018 08:58PM
whatever works is correct..crazy brilliant IMO...great stuff.
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: 3d
Date: July 12, 2018 08:45AM
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samintx
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3d
For what it's worth, I called the movie.

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your title for the movie?

Saman.
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 12, 2018 02:00PM
FWIW.... the reports keep saying Oxygen tank ? I would have expected they would be a mix ?
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: raz
Date: July 12, 2018 03:10PM
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cbelt3
FWIW.... the reports keep saying Oxygen tank ? I would have expected they would be a mix ?

Almost certainly using compressed air. It's highly unlikely they're even below 15 feet deep - which is where a diver would routinely make a safety stop.

Disclaimer: I'm certified to 30 meters, but not for cave diving.



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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: JoeH
Date: July 12, 2018 03:26PM
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raz
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cbelt3
FWIW.... the reports keep saying Oxygen tank ? I would have expected they would be a mix ?

Almost certainly using compressed air. It's highly unlikely they're even below 15 feet deep - which is where a diver would routinely make a safety stop.

Disclaimer: I'm certified to 30 meters, but not for cave diving.

The deepest sump was described as being about 10 meters deep in one report I read. The possibility of rebreathers being used was mentioned at one point, oxygen tanks would be used with those instead of compressed air.
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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 12, 2018 03:41PM
Almost certainly using compressed air.

Right.

No need for a mix. Besides being useless at shallow depths, it adds a lot of bulk.

I think by and large, the general public believe it's only oxygen in the tanks instead of compressed air (which is a mix, lol).

There's a documentary, Diving into the Unknown, about a cave dive that turned tragic and the subsequent recovery, based on the story that Om linked to in another thread.

These guys were diving as deep as ~400'. They used Heliox or similar. They also had argon, but that was for use in their dry suits.




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Re: Cave Rescue... Details emerging
Posted by: space-time
Date: July 12, 2018 08:51PM
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RAMd®d
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There's a documentary, Diving into the Unknown, about a cave dive that turned tragic and the subsequent recovery, based on the story that Om linked to in another thread.

These guys were diving as deep as ~400'. They used Heliox or similar. They also had argon, but that was for use in their dry suits.

Thanks, it is streaming on Netflix, watching it this evening.
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