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Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 10, 2018 08:05AM
Time was about 7:30 PM, past rush hour. I was driving on a 2 lane road where passing was allowed, speed limit was 45 MPH. People usually drive 50 there but last night there were 4 cars in front of me and everyone was driving 45. This car comes behind me and tailgates. I guess he wanted to pass but there was some incoming traffic and he did not have enough time/space to pass all 5 cars at once. Now he could have pass one car at a time, but the gaps between cars was not huge, it was normal. We were not tailgating each other, but also not leaving huge gaps that this car could have pulled in after passing one car at a time. Well, I guess he could have done it, other cars would have slowed down to let him pull in between, no one wants an accident. But he didn't do it.

He then starts making signs with his hands, like I should go go go. Go where? tailgate the car in front of me? No. Then he flashes his headlights. I put on the emergency blinkers. He gets even closer and makes more hand gestures and flashes lights again. This goes on for about 4 miles. At some point passing was no longer allowed. And we came to a pedestrian cross-walk, and guess what, all cars stopped for one pedestrian to cross. This guy behind me was furious.

Finally we come to an intersection, I was in the middle lane going straight, he was in the right lane for right turns. NO TURN ON RED. The car in front of him obeyed this sign, did not make a right turn. Then cross traffic stops and instead of getting green light, all traffic is stopped because more pedestrians were crossing the street. This guy was mad. Then left green arrow comes on, so the car in front of him was still not moving, and he got closer within inches of that car. Finally the main light comes green, I go straight, then both turn right and I don't know what happened after that, but since it was a 4 lane road, I can only guess he passed the other car and was speeding like a bullet.


I was hoping a police car would catch him. Someone should have called 911 for such aggressive driver. I have to admit that he made me nervous while he was tailgating me, but at the end it gave me a guilty pleasure to see him stuck behind the car convoy and there was nothing he could do.

I do not like these type of drivers.



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Robert M
Date: August 10, 2018 08:22AM
Space,

I feel for you. Tailgating is a way of life for all too many drivers around here, especially on local roads. Speed limit is 30. Everyone is going between 35 and 40. One fracker _has_ to tailgate me. Always. Even when there is congestion and no chance of "go go going" anywhere. So, I do whatever it takes in a safe manner to convince the individual that tailgating me is a _very_ bad idea. 9 times out of 10 it works. smiling smiley

And, yes, it is a guilty pleasure when you see that same person get stuck at a traffic light, stuck behind a car waiting to make a turn across a very busy street, or, best of all, when a cop pops up out of nowhere and pulls over the driver.

Once time, I was being tailgated and the moran simply refused to let up. He finally got around me only to get stuck behind someone making a left turn from the next lane over. You could see he was royally pissed by that. I glanced in my rear view mirror as I passed him and noticed that nobody was letting him back out of the lane so he could get around the car waiting to make a turn.

Finally, the driver managed to get around the car and raced, weaving in and out of traffic to within a car or two of me and we got stuck at the same red light. His anger and frustration was evident. It made me smile quite a bit. smiling smiley

Robert
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Fritz
Date: August 10, 2018 08:26AM
out here in the boibs where Robert and I live, I've begun to believe that tailgating is a new sport. See how close you can get without actually causing a collision.
Surely wish I had JB's Aston Martin DB5 with the oil slick button.



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 10, 2018 08:35AM
oil slick button.

tell me more.

I was thinking of installing a laser under the car and firing at the tires when someone tailgates me. I am seriously thinking about it. if I had a garage where I could work on the car, I would do it. I cannot install it in my HOA parking lot with neighbors asking what I am doing. I have the knowledge how to rig something like this and I know where the get the lasers. I just need the space to work on it and probably more motivation (it would be quick a bit of "investment")
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 10, 2018 08:43AM
space-time..... frickin' laser beams ! Back in the day I actively planned to 'borrow' and install a TOW missile launcher on my Chrysler. Alternatively I was going to install a tool steel 'ram' on the rear bumper that was powered by compressed air and stamped "I'm A MORON" on the bumper of the person tailgating me.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Fritz
Date: August 10, 2018 08:52AM
back then, there was a movie about a demolition derby driver, I thought it was Joe Don Baker, but no.
Anyway, the driver had installed a pneumatic battering ram under his front bumper.
heh, heh, heh



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: August 10, 2018 08:59AM
.....thought this would be about 'tailgating' @ a sports game......in the parking lot.....BBQ......



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: billb
Date: August 10, 2018 09:03AM
just another narcissist entitled to a clear path with no one in their way

the everyone gets a trophy mentality is breeding thousands of them



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mattkime
Date: August 10, 2018 09:11AM
Eh, just slow down and get out of his way.

Perhaps he was a jerk, perhaps he had an urgent problem.

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Although I 100% agree that people in general follow waaaay too closely. I think my pet peeve if someone merging in front of you because you left a reasonable gap. I'm trying to let of it.







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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: August 10, 2018 09:21AM
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space-time
oil slick button.

tell me more.

I was thinking of installing a laser under the car and firing at the tires when someone tailgates me. I am seriously thinking about it. if I had a garage where I could work on the car, I would do it. I cannot install it in my HOA parking lot with neighbors asking what I am doing. I have the knowledge how to rig something like this and I know where the get the lasers. I just need the space to work on it and probably more motivation (it would be quick a bit of "investment")

Watch "Thunder Road" (1959), classic film with Robert Mitchum. He's runnin' moonshine (he's a 'tanker'), and if he's being pursued, he can spray oil on the road. Great film.

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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 10, 2018 09:42AM
Someone should have called 911 for such aggressive driver.

Yes, s-t, someone should have, someone in a good position to see what he was about.

That someone could say to the dispatcher 'I don't know if he's drunk or what but he's...' and stress the aggressive bit.

Maybe there's a cop in the area, maybe not. But at least one wouldn't be thinking 'Someone should have done something'.

As to pulling over on a two lane road, I wouldn't bother, but that's me. Moving to another lane from a 'faster' lane is a different story.

Who knows what that guy's problem was. He may have been in a hurry to get to the movies, home to watch TV, or found out his daughter was hurt in an accident. He either expected everybody ahead would yield eventually, or he was too stupid to consider you were the only car on the road.

If only there were a way to contact the police from a car.


Pro Tip: If cars have to slow down to make room for a passing car to re-enter the lane, then there wasn't enough room to start with. But obviously that doesn't stop a lot of people.


As far as fantasy retaliation goes, a pointed rod launched through a small hole in the truck, punching into the radiator, then retracting was one of my thoughts.

So was a laser, powerful enough to 'punch' a hole in a tire. Less than that, the tire would get cut/split/burned around the circumference. The cause might be a little obvious.

An alternative would be another of the DB5's tricks— ninja spikes that are dropped out the back. They're hollow spikes that are designed so that no matter how they land, there's one spike that sticks straight up. Even one would ensure fairly rapid deflation.

Flights of fancy, if he gets pulled over by the local constabulary, I'm good with that.




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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 10, 2018 09:49AM
Maybe there's a cop in the area, maybe not. But at least one wouldn't be thinking 'Someone should have done something'.

I guess you imply that I should have called 911. I was thinking about it, but I do not use the phone while driving. now if my spouse was in the car, I would have asked her to dial 911. but I was alone, and I did not have a space to pull over.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: August 10, 2018 10:09AM
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space-time
Maybe there's a cop in the area, maybe not. But at least one wouldn't be thinking 'Someone should have done something'.

I guess you imply that I should have called 911. I was thinking about it, but I do not use the phone while driving. now if my spouse was in the car, I would have asked her to dial 911. but I was alone, and I did not have a space to pull over.

Is an impatient tailgater really enough of an emergency to justify a 911 call? I wouldn't think so. These days I think the wisest course is to just find a place to pull over and let the SOB, if he is one, get by. Who knows, maybe he's got a real emergency and is trying to get to the hospital?

Now a genuinely reckless driver, weaving in and out and endangering other drivers, is probably worth reporting, assuming you can describe the vehicle adequately.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: billb
Date: August 10, 2018 10:48AM
You can and probably should call 911 to report a drunk driver.

You can and probably should call your local police to report a "possible" drunk or otherwise reckless driver

You can and should have your local police non-emergency number . You pay them to deal with crap. You might actually end up helping someone with a medical induced mental problem and maybe even save a life. It takes a village.



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: August 10, 2018 11:22AM
LOL...in south we call this NASCAR, and it always happens during rush hour, where everyone is driving bumper to bumper at hella fast speeds. It's why there is always an accident during this time.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: August 10, 2018 11:22AM
Generally, I find that if someone is in an emergency situation, that person will flash the high beams, if they are familiar with that concept.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 10, 2018 11:50AM
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mrbigstuff
Generally, I find that if someone is in an emergency situation, that person will flash the high beams, if they are familiar with that concept.

if it is a TRUE emergency, like someone was in an accident, they should call the police for an escort IMHO. If they are late for a meeting or a flight, that is just poor time management. what do they expect, that they flash their high beams and everyone pulls over so they can pass?
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Robert M
Date: August 10, 2018 11:59AM
MrBig,

If it's a true emergency, that person won't be in his/her car. He/she will be in an ambulance or similar vehicle or have a police escort. I'm willing to say that someone in his/her own vehicle in a TRUE emergency is a rarity. Vastly more likely it's just another a**hole behind the wheel.

Robert
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: August 10, 2018 12:24PM
I brake for tailgaters. Actually, I just tap the brakes enough to make the taillights flash. That's usually enough to wake them up.

Tailgater wants to get aggressive with me for that? Bring it. I wish you would! mad2 smiley



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mikebw
Date: August 10, 2018 12:38PM
I echo the sentiment that you never really know why the driver is in a hurry, it could be a real emergency, at least for them.

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RAMd®d

An alternative would be another of the DB5's tricks— ninja spikes that are dropped out the back. They're hollow spikes that are designed so that no matter how they land, there's one spike that sticks straight up. Even one would ensure fairly rapid deflation.

Caltrop - You want the ones made from hollow steel so the air rushes out faster.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 10, 2018 02:19PM
Is an impatient tailgater really enough of an emergency to justify a 911 call? I wouldn't think so.

I would, on both counts. By s-t's narrative, this guy was more than impatient. And in my neighborhood, reporting aggressive drivers is encouraged by the po-po.


I was thinking about it, but I do not use the phone while driving.

Neither do I, normally.

But my phone is in a dash mount and Siri can dial 9-1-1.


I brake for tailgaters. Actually, I just tap the brakes enough to make the taillights flash. That's usually enough to wake them up.

A mild brake check is fine for somebody who's merely tailgating. I'd be careful about an aggressive driver.
But I like your style.



if it is a TRUE emergency, like someone was in an accident, they should call the police for an escort IMHO.

No way. A police escort is a MYTH. You can't know if the person being 'escorted' will actually do what they're supposed to do— go when they're supposed to, and more importantly stop when you do. That's a huge liability on multiple levels, waiting to happen.



You want the ones made from hollow steel so the air rushes out faster.

Like I said. Those are the same as tossed out of the DB5.




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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: PeterW
Date: August 10, 2018 03:00PM
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Rick-o
I brake for tailgaters. Actually, I just tap the brakes enough to make the taillights flash. That's usually enough to wake them up.

Tailgater wants to get aggressive with me for that? Bring it. I wish you would! mad2 smiley

Yeah, that’s the ticket Mr Macho. We’ve had several cases in the last month where the aggressive driver was also an armed driver. It did not end well for either of them.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: August 10, 2018 05:05PM
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Rick-o
I brake for tailgaters. Actually, I just tap the brakes enough to make the taillights flash. That's usually enough to wake them up.

Tailgater wants to get aggressive with me for that? Bring it. I wish you would! mad2 smiley

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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: wurm
Date: August 10, 2018 08:20PM
Those are the times I wish I were an off-duty police officer and had a blue light I could switch on and pull the d!ckhead over. I'm not, so my next best fantasy would be to install one of those led light panels that I could program to read something as simple as GET OFF MY A$$!!

If it's any consolation, the person who hits you from behind is pretty much always at fault (at least according to the insurance company).
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 10, 2018 08:30PM
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wurm
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If it's any consolation, the person who hits you from behind is pretty much always at fault (at least according to the insurance company).

I do not want any of this. I do not want to have an accident, to deal with repairs, police reports, to deal with the driver who tailgated, none of it. I need to get home safely, I want my car to run properly, and spend time here on the forum rather than waste it on the phone with the insurance companies and dealing with rental cars.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: August 10, 2018 08:46PM
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space-time
Quote
wurm
...

If it's any consolation, the person who hits you from behind is pretty much always at fault (at least according to the insurance company).

I do not want any of this. I do not want to have an accident, to deal with repairs, police reports, to deal with the driver who tailgated, none of it. I need to get home safely, I want my car to run properly, and spend time here on the forum rather than waste it on the phone with the insurance companies and dealing with rental cars.

I agree. Better to just pull over and let the @^%@#&^%$! by.

/Mr Lynn



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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 11, 2018 04:54PM
I do not want to have an accident, to deal with repairs, police reports, to deal with the driver who tailgated, none of it. I need to get home safely, I want my car to run properly, and spend time here on the forum rather than waste it on the phone with the insurance companies and dealing with rental cars.


Agreed.

I want everyone to get home safely.

That's why I call when I see somebody driving like that.

There's simple tailgating— somebody not clear on the concept of speed vs braking distance or somebody who doesn't want another car to cut in front of them. There's no aggression, just bad driving.

s-t calls this tailgating incident unusual. Here in the Bay Area as in many other places, that kind of aggressive driving is almost business as usual, almost as much as what I described above. So much so that the CHP has had a couple of 'report aggressive driver' campaigns.

So s-t's statement above prompts the inquiry— why didn't you pull over and let the guy by? Further, knowing now what's been kicked about and presented in this thread, would/will you pull over under the same circumstances, should this happen again?




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men
except by believing all possible evil
of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* Sigs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 12, 2018 07:38AM
Yes, if I can safely pull over I will let them go next time.
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Re: Unusual tailgating case last night
Posted by: fauch
Date: August 12, 2018 03:15PM
Around here you NEED to tailgate or a cretin like this will pass you and cut in front of you despite it being unsafe and necessitate you to jam on your brakes and risk the guy tailgating behind you smashing into you...

Sometimes I wish I had a missile button on the steering wheel, or oil slick like in Spy Hunter....
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