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Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 07, 2018 01:44PM
20 people were killed in limo accident upstate NY. ESL here, I would like to know if the word among accomplishes anything to the understanding of this sentence from NYT

Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were among three of the people killed in the crash. They were in the limousine.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: October 07, 2018 01:54PM
They were among the twenty.
They were three of the people.

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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: billb
Date: October 07, 2018 02:00PM
yeah, three people among three doesn't make a lot of sense, but consider the source.



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 07, 2018 02:01PM
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voodoopenguin
They were among the twenty.
They were three of the people.

Paul

Yep.



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: voodoopenguin
Date: October 07, 2018 02:05PM
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billb
yeah, three people among three doesn't make a lot of sense, but consider the source.

Very true Bill. If that was a direct quote then it's silly of us to discuss the wording.

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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: October 07, 2018 02:07PM
I'm not a professional copy editor, but these are versions of how I would redo it:
Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were three of the 20 people killed in the crash. They were in the limousine. (three is repetitive, but better than above)
-or-
Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were among the people killed in the crash. They were in the limousine.

Cost cutting at newspapers in the last 20 years has meant that editors with good grammar skills very rarely read content before it gets published.



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: October 07, 2018 02:16PM
"Among" does not belong there.

But the in the manner that it's presented, it seems to be a statement by Lester Andrews.

I see two scenarios here: Either they accidentally dropped the quotation marks or they accidentally inserted an extra word.

Either way, it should have been caught by the copyeditor before publication.

...Incredibly, there were 4 people with writing credits on that story. Three in the byline and one as a contributor.



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: October 07, 2018 02:28PM
....can we discuss just among ourselves......???



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 07, 2018 02:28PM
You can forget about publications having the rigor we grew up with. My old newspaper's editor used "then" instead of "than" a few months ago. I wanted to choke him.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: wurm
Date: October 07, 2018 04:01PM
"Among" is fine. It's the "three" that's unnecessary.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 07, 2018 04:03PM
Thanks folks. My writing skills in English (and in my native language) are very poor but when I spot errors like these it makes me wonder how they slipped by editors and copywriters.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Fred_Also
Date: October 07, 2018 04:39PM
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voodoopenguin
They were among the twenty.
They were three of the people.

Paul

agree smiley

Fred
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: October 07, 2018 04:45PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Cost cutting at newspapers in the last 20 years has meant that editors with good grammar skills very rarely read content before it gets published.

... and no more proofreaders either.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Ammo
Date: October 07, 2018 06:43PM
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wurm
"Among" is fine. It's the "three" that's unnecessary.

This.



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: October 07, 2018 06:52PM
“Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were killed in the crash. They were in the limousine.”

Ain’t no “three” needed at all...



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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 07, 2018 08:11PM
Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were among the 20 people killed in the crash. They were in the limousine.

Lester Andrews, 60, from Rochester, N.Y., said his two stepsons and a daughter-in-law were killed in the crash. They were in the limousine.



They were in the limousine.

Though factual, it seems odd, as though an afterthought.




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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 07, 2018 08:26PM
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space-time
Thanks folks. My writing skills in English (and in my native language) are very poor but when I spot errors like these it makes me wonder how they slipped by editors and copywriters.

I think it's generational.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: October 08, 2018 10:11AM
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Dennis S
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space-time
Thanks folks. My writing skills in English (and in my native language) are very poor but when I spot errors like these it makes me wonder how they slipped by editors and copywriters.

I think it's generational.
I will disagree. It is symptomatic of educational laziness combined with a lack of mentoring and support in media organizations. You don't really learn to write a snappy news piece in school, and you also don't absorb a deep seated need for clean English. You learn those skills by doing them within an organization that mentors and quality controls.
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Re: Is the word “among” necessary here?
Posted by: Wags
Date: October 09, 2018 11:37AM
Had oughta be amongst
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