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What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: October 12, 2018 07:45PM
Generally recognized as over-hyped, over-priced, and smirked at by the "experts," but lapped up by the uninitiated.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: davester
Date: October 12, 2018 07:46PM
Macs.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 12, 2018 07:56PM
I never bought a Bose product directly, but both my cars have Bose speakers (Mazda CX-5 and Volt). And I wasn't gonna dismiss these acrs just because they had Bose speakers. And my new job provides a $350 allowance for noise-cancelling headphones and before I had a chance to decide what I wanted to get, they put a pair of Bose QuietComfort 35 II on my desk, no questions asked. I started using them and I like the sound.

they may not be the best on the market but my ears are definitely not getting better so I won't be able to tell the difference anyway.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Bixby
Date: October 12, 2018 08:24PM
Monster cables.

Beats headphones. Though they've gotten a little better.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: October 12, 2018 09:21PM
Mercedes of Cars
Miller, the Champagne of Beers

Heineken is overhyped p--- water.



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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 12, 2018 09:35PM
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Rolando

Heineken is overhyped p--- water.


Have you ever had it on tap in Amsterdam?

It's a very different beer.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: tahoedrew
Date: October 12, 2018 11:39PM
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freeradical

Have you ever had it on tap in Amsterdam?

It's a very different beer.

agree smiley What freeradical said!
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 12, 2018 11:48PM
QC35s are terrific and can be shown to be top of the line.

beats are closer - but I think their middle line products cover use cases Bose and Sony avoided until recently.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Drew
Date: October 12, 2018 11:56PM
I have had some small Bose speakers connected to my computer for several years. Love 'em. Smirk all you want.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: October 12, 2018 11:57PM
Rolex, maybe. Maybe our forum expert could weigh in on this one.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: morlock
Date: October 13, 2018 12:41AM
Prof. Bose was a crusty old bastard. He and I got into it more than once about phase issues.



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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: October 13, 2018 06:21AM
I bought a pair of Bose 301's in (roughly) 1984, and they lasted nearly 20 years, including my time in college. Unlike a lot of Bose products, those were a more traditional woofer-and-tweeters deslgn, and they sounded great. But they were of a time when Bose was a relatively small company and hadn't gone all-out for the mass consumer market and were made before they took manufacturing overseas.

That said, I tried a set of used 901's once, and hated them. Exactly on Bose's bad-reputation cliche: "No highs, no lows, must be Bose." I never cared for their satellite-and-subwoofer combinations, either.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/13/2018 06:23AM by Will Collier.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 13, 2018 06:33AM
Rolex, being an iconic brand like Apple, is a target, a brand people love to hate.

Wear a Rolex, and there will always be That Guy, or two, that will go out of their way to tell you there are cheaper watches that keep better time, their Timex only costs $10, I can buy a counterfeit for a lot less, there are other watches that have 'more status', blah blah blah. 'I see you have a Rolex. Ya know...' 'Is that the new iPhone? You know they ripped off Samsung' ad nauseam. There's a reason for that sort of behavior, and it's nothing to do with the brand itself.

Never mind that you didn't ask for their opinion. You just had the temerity to wear one and let it be seen. Oh the humanity. Say you have a Mac or an iPhone, and there's That Guy again, feeling the need to 'inform' you. There's a reason for that sort of behavior, and it's nothing to do with the brand itself.

Unfortunately, being an iconic brand like Apple, or any high end car brand, means you'll pay more than something similar but not the same. It's a choice.

Unlike Bose, Rolex has offered a quality product for decades, and the craftsmanship and SCOC rating were not accidents or flukes. Bose does offer some decent products, but historically that hasn't been true.

The Rolex brand is expensive for what it is, but they're solid products, and not the Bose of watches.




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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: 3d
Date: October 13, 2018 06:40AM
Any wine that costs over $30 a bottle.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: October 13, 2018 06:45AM
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Mike Johnson
Rolex, maybe. Maybe our forum expert could weigh in on this one.

Which one? There are several, I believe. But, I'm no expert.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: October 13, 2018 07:17AM
Coldplay and Beyonce



!#$@@$#!

If there are spelling issues, please pardon, Owen the cat is sitting on my keyboard.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: DP
Date: October 13, 2018 07:39AM
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RAMd®d
Rolex, being an iconic brand like Apple, is a target, a brand people love to hate.

Wear a Rolex, and there will always be That Guy, or two, that will go out of their way to tell you there are cheaper watches that keep better time, their Timex only costs $10, I can buy a counterfeit for a lot less, there are other watches that have 'more status', blah blah blah. 'I see you have a Rolex. Ya know...' 'Is that the new iPhone? You know they ripped off Samsung' ad nauseam. There's a reason for that sort of behavior, and it's nothing to do with the brand itself.

Never mind that you didn't ask for their opinion. You just had the temerity to wear one and let it be seen. Oh the humanity. Say you have a Mac or an iPhone, and there's That Guy again, feeling the need to 'inform' you. There's a reason for that sort of behavior, and it's nothing to do with the brand itself.

Unfortunately, being an iconic brand like Apple, or any high end car brand, means you'll pay more than something similar but not the same. It's a choice.

Unlike Bose, Rolex has offered a quality product for decades, and the craftsmanship and SCOC rating were not accidents or flukes. Bose does offer some decent products, but historically that hasn't been true.

The Rolex brand is expensive for what it is, but they're solid products, and not the Bose of watches.

You get that a lot, Ram? grinning smiley Seriously, watches like Rolex are jewelry too as well as timepieces. I have a TAG Heuer for jewelry and Timex and Casio for everyday use. Not yet rich enough for Rolex!





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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 13, 2018 08:25AM
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Fritz
Coldplay and Beyonce

Kanye West too!
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Fritz
Date: October 13, 2018 09:09AM
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space-time
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Fritz
Coldplay and Beyonce

Kanye West too!

toooo many to list.



!#$@@$#!

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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: October 13, 2018 09:53AM
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: October 13, 2018 09:57AM
Cmon over sometime and we’ll share a bottle of Chateauneuf-du-Pape.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 13, 2018 10:42AM
You get that a lot

Not a lot, but enough to get really tedious.

It wasn't so bad years ago, because most people really didn't know the brand. Over the years it became well known enough more people notice them, and just have to edjumicate me.

I've put it (only one, LOL) away, as it's 40yo and needs a cleaning. I've remarked from time to time that Apple watches have been so practical that I've stopped wearing my mechs.

Not a collector as such, but I've bought mechs that just appeal to me because firstly, their looks. Then, various other factors.

I wear no jewelry ever, except watches. No diamonds, no flash, no bling, all with either express utility, or what is in my view, understated elegance.

I used to see Jose Conseco and other people I don't know wear nugget watches. I can't stand them a bit. But it's their choice. They're happy, it's all good, as the kids used to say.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: October 13, 2018 10:53AM
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tahoedrew
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freeradical

Have you ever had it on tap in Amsterdam?

It's a very different beer.

agree smiley What freeradical said!

Thanks you both for the education! If I get to Amsterdam, beer would not be near the top of my list, but OK!



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"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
“Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Eli Weisel

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." - Billy Graham 1981

"Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise" - Barry Goldwater
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: davemchine
Date: October 13, 2018 09:24PM
I have the Bose QC35's and I love them. They sound great, the bluetooth connection is super reliable, and they are comfortable to wear. I also have the Bose SoundLink portable speaker and am blown away by the sound given the size. Both were completely worth what I paid for them.

I can't speak for their older speaker line. Reading the audiophile forum's I see them frequently bashed for using paper cones but I listened to a podcast with a speaker designer who claimed paper was an excellent material for making speakers so who knows.

As for products that are simply not worth their cost the first thing that pops into my head is gold plated audi wires selling at crazy prices. Pillows are another product that can sell for very high prices but there's no definitive way to say one is better than another. Same with mattresses. Oh, how about DACS (Digital to Analog Converters). Again, can anyone definitively say one is better than another once you go over say $100?
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 14, 2018 05:04AM
Bose noise-cancelling headphones are almost universally considered the best available.



It is what it is.



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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: October 14, 2018 08:46AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
Bose noise-cancelling headphones are almost universally considered the best available.

But many consider them, like other brands, to be overpriced because of their “rep”: maybe a 25% to 50% better product, but priced 100% to 200% higher (or more).
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: October 14, 2018 10:02AM
I'd far rather have some Bose speakers than Monster Cables or Beats headphones. YMMV.



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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 14, 2018 11:58AM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Bose noise-cancelling headphones are almost universally considered the best available.

But many consider them, like other brands, to be overpriced because of their “rep”: maybe a 25% to 50% better product, but priced 100% to 200% higher (or more).

They are competive with a number of the offerings in this review: [www.techradar.com]



It is what it is.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: October 14, 2018 01:56PM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Bose noise-cancelling headphones are almost universally considered the best available.

But many consider them, like other brands, to be overpriced because of their “rep”: maybe a 25% to 50% better product, but priced 100% to 200% higher (or more).

They are competive with a number of the offerings in this review: [www.techradar.com]

The fact that there are others at a similar price does not establish that they are, or are not, overpriced. All similarly priced could themselves fall into the above 25% to 50% better, but priced 100% to 200% higher.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 14, 2018 06:52PM
The QC35's are fine 'cans, not disputing that.


I'd far rather have some Bose speakers than Monster Cables or Beats headphones. YMMV.

Sure, but that's like saying I'd rather have some Bose speakers than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

That's like comparing apples and hickory or birch. LOL




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: October 14, 2018 07:07PM
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
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DeusxMac
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N-OS X-tasy!
Bose noise-cancelling headphones are almost universally considered the best available.

But many consider them, like other brands, to be overpriced because of their “rep”: maybe a 25% to 50% better product, but priced 100% to 200% higher (or more).

They are competive with a number of the offerings in this review: [www.techradar.com]

The fact that there are others at a similar price does not establish that they are, or are not, overpriced. All similarly priced could themselves fall into the above 25% to 50% better, but priced 100% to 200% higher.

Alrighty, then.



It is what it is.
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Re: What are the "Bose speakers" of other product lines?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: October 15, 2018 12:24PM
This thread has run it's course but I'll add one other. Tube amps are popular now thanks to marketing and people who remember their youth wistfully. Yes, and sound quality for some.

Anyhow, in a review in Stereophile about 20 years ago of a Cary tube amp (the 300B, IIRC) when that market was just starting to ramp up again, John Atkinson tested the amp and remarked that it wasn't much more than an expensive tone control.

That got some people's dander up. Just a bit. But a number of people view tube amps as overpriced, underperforming equipment.
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