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connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: space-time
Date: November 08, 2018 09:57PM
Apple uses USB-C in latest notebooks and now in iPad Pro. I am surprised they didn't implement this yet in latest iPhones, seems strange to introduce iPhones with lightning connectors and only a few weeks alter iPad Pro with USB-C. I expect next year iPhone will have USB-C too.

I could be wrong, but I believe these ports were invented by Apple and are now obsolete or will be obsolete soon

Lightning (IIRC was introduced in 2012 and I suspect it will be discontinued in 2019)
MagSafe (started when??? and seems dead as of 2018)
Thunderbolt (introduced in 2011? and seems dead as of 2018)
FireWire (introduced in lats 1990s and dead as of late 2010, OK this lasted 20 years)
30 Pin iPod/iPhone/iPad connector (introduced in early 2000s and dead as of early 2010s, lasted about 10 years)
ADB (not sure when it started, but my B&W 1998 G3 still had an ADB port I believe)
ADC (Apple Display Connector)

There were probably other types of ports that Apple used but I may not be familiar with those. I believe when PCs were using VGA, Apple had a slightly different connector but it was mostly the pinout that was different, I think with the right adapter you could connect a PC monitor to a Mac and vice versa. SCSI was also used by some PCs, I don't think that was Apple specific.

What else did I forget?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2018 10:11PM by space-time.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: November 08, 2018 10:02PM
.....what about the connector called.......friendship.....???



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: November 08, 2018 10:05PM
LocalTalk

It was a game changer as my first school-wide network setup. Print from anywhere...but more importantly, Spectre and Super Maze Wars network games.



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: freeradical
Date: November 08, 2018 10:13PM
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space-time

Thunderbolt (introduced in 2011? and seems dead as of 2018)


Huh?
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 08, 2018 10:16PM
Apple will put in USB-C with their next gen 5G iPhones, reprising the iconic iPhone4/5 look they put in the latest iPad Pros.

Connectors - Intel invented Thunderbolt, I believe.

ADB is just a version of S Video.

Apple still sells a Magsafe Mac in its store, the 2015 MBA.

USB-C is definitely the future, and I cannot wait to get there.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: space-time
Date: November 08, 2018 10:19PM
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freeradical
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space-time

Thunderbolt (introduced in 2011? and seems dead as of 2018)


Huh?

OK, the protocol is still there (travelling over USB-C connectors), but the form that was the same as miniDisplayPort is now dead, isn't it?

and this brings up another point: using some ports (for example miniDisplayPort or USB-C) for other protocols (Thunderbolt). Another example is ADB using S-Video connectors and cables.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: testcase
Date: November 09, 2018 12:18AM
Don’t hold your breath on 5G phones anytime soon.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: jdc
Date: November 09, 2018 12:25AM
Lots of connectors across many different companies/technologies have been changed over time for the better.



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: hal
Date: November 09, 2018 01:27AM
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space-time
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freeradical
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space-time

Thunderbolt (introduced in 2011? and seems dead as of 2018)


Huh?

OK, the protocol is still there (travelling over USB-C connectors), but the form that was the same as miniDisplayPort is now dead, isn't it?

I have a four bay TB2 box and a TB2 hub - when I get a new mac, it'll all work just as well with an adapter.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: November 09, 2018 08:02AM
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sekker
USB-C is definitely the future, and I cannot wait to get there.

Ditto this.



same as it ever was
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: raz
Date: November 09, 2018 08:53AM
AAUI, their interface to ethernet. I think I still have the adapter somewhere.

And let's not forget their own VGA connector.



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: November 09, 2018 09:02AM
.....abandon all hope, ye who enter here.............



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: mikebw
Date: November 09, 2018 10:25AM
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raz
AAUI, their interface to ethernet. I think I still have the adapter somewhere.

And let's not forget their own VGA connector.

Right, I think he mentioned that; Apple used a 7/8 pinout, while PCs were 5/5/5.

The one I remember was HDI-45, a video output on the original PowerMacs (61xx/71xx/81xx) that only worked with one monitor, the Apple AudioVision 14 CRT. During my time at an Apple Authorized Store, we sold many, many of these adapters to people who wanted to connect any other VGA monitor to those PowerMacs, for a not cheap price in the ballpark of $40 each IIRC...



This adapter also ensured that you could not push your computer closer than 4" to any wall. eye rolling smiley
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: November 09, 2018 11:34AM
How about this puppy?

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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: November 09, 2018 01:01PM
Re: Thunderbolt.

Intel created Thunderbolt as an optical technology.
Apple created the mini DisplayPort connector for the MBAir.

Apple successfully convinced Intel to make the TB protocol work over copper, using Apple's mini-DP connector. Separately, the PC standards people (IECC?) decided to adopt Apple's mini-DP connector as a DP standard and you still see it on MS Surfaces.

The decision was made for TB3 to use the USB-C connector but the protocol is still the same TB (but faster), just now with a third different physical connector.



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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 09, 2018 01:51PM
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testcase
Don’t hold your breath on 5G phones anytime soon.

Will be in 2020 or 2021 iPhones.

Either way, going 'square' will make the next gen iPhones LOOK different, so adding USBC then would be easy enough.

So I guess it's 2019 - 'square' iP X models, 2020 would be the 'S' year, 2021 would be 5G? Something like that.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 09, 2018 03:06PM
DIN8 serial port / localtalk was a fun one.
I think I still have a USB to localtalk adapter somewhere. Had lots and lots of serial port peripherals and interfaces to deal with.
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Re: connectors that Apple Invented and Apple Abandoned
Posted by: Winston
Date: November 10, 2018 10:06PM
PlainTalk Mic connector. Was a longer version of a standard 3.5mm / 1/8" plug, with the tip getting 5v power. At one point I tried really hard to find a jack compatible with this plug, without success.





Lightning connectors are thinner than USB-C connectors. Apple's phones have gotten thinner, which doesn't fit with going to USB-C.

Apple has pushed "thin" on the iPad line too. The iPad Pro is aimed at a different market.

I can't see Apple putting standard USB-C connectors on iPhones. So, will we get an updated Lighting connector that's a "mini" version of USB-C?


Good luck.

- Winston



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