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icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: mattkime
Date: January 03, 2019 09:21AM
Poll
What do you use on icy pavement?
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24 votes were received.
Salt 22
 
92%
Sand 2
 
8%



My parents always used salt growing up so its what I've reached for as well. I do use it sparingly - just enough to get the job done. Nothing more annoying that someone who's avoiding shoveling by throwing down a ton of salt.

HOWEVER, some people choose sand.

Whats your choice and why?



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: mikebw
Date: January 03, 2019 09:27AM
I suppose sand could provide traction whereas salt will only serve to melt the ice. If you need to get going immediately then sand, but if you have time to wait then salt. Also consider what effect the two will have on the surrounding area (ie. too much salt can kill the ground plants.)
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: freeradical
Date: January 03, 2019 09:27AM
I live where the roads don't get icy...
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Pam
Date: January 03, 2019 09:34AM
No salt. Bad for the dog's paws. I shovel, bust up what I can, and let radiant heat from the sun do its thing.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: raz
Date: January 03, 2019 09:34AM
In Pittsburgh we use one of these


Slide under the ice and lift.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: January 03, 2019 09:49AM
We always referred to sidewalk salt as 'lawyer repellent'.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: kurtzie
Date: January 03, 2019 09:59AM
Used as needed depending on conditions:

Scraper
"Salt" - Pet friendly
Chicken Grit - provides more traction, and will stick up from the ice, if there is melt and refreeze conditions.

Steve
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Bernie
Date: January 03, 2019 10:28AM
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raz
In Pittsburgh we use one of these


Slide under the ice and lift.

Virginia too.




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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: January 03, 2019 10:31AM
There is salt and there are the 'low temp' versions that have CaCl22H2O or MgCl26H2O. There are people that run barefoot in the snow. They have to be careful to avoid locations that use too much of the high powered ice melt. Even plain salt can be a hazard if a cat gets into it and then licks it up when grooming.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Altered Horizons
Date: January 03, 2019 10:34AM
Ash from the fireplace. Provides great traction and helps melt the ice.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: January 03, 2019 10:36AM
Pretty much always salt, but I do use sand on occasion. Our county road plows use a mixture of sand and salt.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: January 03, 2019 11:16AM
Salt damages concrete, so I avoid using it on our walks. I use it only when needed on the driveway. If I get my drive cleared by early morning, the sun does the rest.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: January 03, 2019 11:28AM
most municipalities ceased using sand in winter because it was clogging the drains. But salt has many downsides as people are noting.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: 3d
Date: January 03, 2019 11:51AM
True tree-huggers save and use the brining liquid from Thanksgiving to spray their sidewalk and driveway. SHAME on you all.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: January 03, 2019 11:57AM
Both? Not sure why it's one or the other. Around here we just wait a day.

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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: TLB
Date: January 03, 2019 12:05PM
Neither. Kitty litter (clean, of course). I think it gives much better traction than sand. Used to use salt until I spent over 8 grand on a driveway and the installer said to never use salt, even after it cured for a couple years.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: timg
Date: January 03, 2019 12:23PM
I solved the problem by moving to California ...



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: wurm
Date: January 03, 2019 12:26PM
One problem with salt is that once it melts the ice, if it's still cold enough, the water will just freeze again. At least sand might buy you some more time and get you where you need to go.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 03, 2019 12:28PM
FLAMETHROWER !!!!!!

Seriously I just try to get to it before it gets too thick. Or salt lightly to taste then remove the rotten stuff.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: January 03, 2019 12:43PM
Sand is not that great for ice. Try kitty if you do not want the coercive effects of salt. They sell it in bulk at your local warehouse club.







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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: January 03, 2019 01:08PM
You just need some of the automatic chains that emergency vehicles use.




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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: mattkime
Date: January 03, 2019 01:12PM
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bazookaman
You just need some of the automatic chains that emergency vehicles use.

on my feet??
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: mattkime
Date: January 03, 2019 01:13PM
I'm highly skeptical of claims that salt ruins concrete. proof - all paved surfaces in wisconsin.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: January 03, 2019 01:30PM
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mattkime
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bazookaman
You just need some of the automatic chains that emergency vehicles use.

on my feet??

Well you never said you were walking.




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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Dennis R
Date: January 03, 2019 02:04PM
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wurm
One problem with salt is that once it melts the ice, if it's still cold enough, the water will just freeze again. At least sand might buy you some more time and get you where you need to go.

I’ve never had the water refreeze after melting from using salt. The water usually flows onto the grass so there is nothing to refreeze. If you have it melt and stay in puddles then refreeze you might have drainage problems.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 03, 2019 02:48PM
......The Weapon of Choice......???






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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Buzz
Date: January 03, 2019 02:54PM
Ideally, chop up people on the @#$%& list and use their bones for traction, but since it doesn't snow, or get icy here, we'll have to abstain from this poll.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: 3d
Date: January 03, 2019 06:25PM
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Buzz
Ideally, chop up people on the @#$%& list and use their bones for traction.
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Interesting.
The human body contains many salts, of which sodium chloride (AKA common table salt) is the major one, making up around 0.4 per cent of the body’s weight at a concentration pretty well equivalent to that in seawater. So a 50kg person would contain around 200g of sodium chloride – around 40 teaspoons.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: chopper
Date: January 03, 2019 06:57PM
Salt. Then more salt.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: Speedy
Date: January 03, 2019 08:28PM
We rarely have any ice once it gets cold, or even before. I just snowblow the drive and walk down to bare concrete. We may get a little ice again in the spring but by then everyone knows how to do the Minnesota shuffle.



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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: JoeH
Date: January 04, 2019 02:09AM
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mattkime
I'm highly skeptical of claims that salt ruins concrete. proof - all paved surfaces in wisconsin.

Properly mixed, poured, finished and cured concrete will not be damaged by salt. But proper curing can take months, so concrete installed too close in time to the beginning of ice and salt season can be damaged. There are additives to the mix that can make the effect of salt on the concrete much worse or cause it too have less effect. Finally the methods used to install and finish the concrete can make it much more susceptible to damage by salt, even negating additives that would otherwise help.

As an example, I can point to many concrete walks poured on the university campus where I work with salt damage. Some were poured in late Fall to early Winter. Others either the mix was off or finishing was done improperly, damaged sections are right next to ones with barely any damage. They were poured alternate days within the same week. As for finishing issues, I work with a guy who has done concrete work in the past. He says he sees signs of over-troweling and mixes that were too wet.
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Re: icy pavement - PICK YOUR WEAPON
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: January 04, 2019 07:11AM
......like pouring salt........in the wound......???



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