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dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 25, 2019 05:14PM
....they donate $11m......as reparations...


German family to give $11M after hearing extent of Nazi past

......One of Germany's richest families, whose company owns a controlling interest in Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Panera Bread, Pret a Manger and other well-known businesses, plans to donate millions to charity after learning about their ancestors' enthusiastic support of Adolf Hitler and use of forced laborers under the Nazis, according to a report Sunday.

In a four-page report, the Bild newspaper reported that documents uncovered in Germany, France and the U.S. reveal that Albert Reimann Sr. and Albert Reimann Jr. used Russian civilians and French POWs as forced laborers.

Family spokesman Peter Harf, who is one of two managing partners of the Reimann's JAB Holding Company, said recent internal research confirmed Bild's findings.

"It is all correct," he told the newspaper. "Reimann senior and Reimann junior were guilty ... they belonged in jail."

The father and son, who died in 1954 and 1984, did not talk about the Nazi era and the family had thought that all of the company's connection to the Nazis had been revealed in a 1978 report, Harf said.

But after reading documents kept by the family, the younger generation began to ask questions and commissioned a University of Munich historian in 2014 to examine the Reimann history more thoroughly, Harf said.

The expert presented his preliminary findings to the Reimann children and grandchildren, as well as Hanf, several weeks ago, he said.

"We were all ashamed and turned as white as the wall," he said. "There is nothing to gloss over. These crimes are disgusting."

In addition to Krispy Kreme Doughnuts and Pret a Manger, the Luxembourg-based JAB Holding Co. has controlling stakes in Keurig Green Mountain, Peet's Coffee & Tea, Caribou Coffee Co., Panera Bread and other companies.

Many German companies have acknowledged using slave laborers during the Nazi era and have conducted their own independent investigations.

In 2000, the German government approved a 10 billion mark (about 5.1 billion euro) fund to provide compensation, with half the money coming from companies like Bayer, Siemens, Deutsche Bank, Daimler-Benz, Volkswagen, and AEG.

Bild reported that even before the Nazis came to power, the Reimanns donated to the paramilitary SS.

During World War II, the company used forced laborers in its industrial chemicals company. It was not clear how many were used overall, but Bild said in 1943, 175 forced laborers were being used, about 30 percent of its workforce.

In addition to Russian and other Eastern European civilians, the company used French prisoners of war — about whom Reimann Jr. complained in a letter to the Ludwigshafen mayor in 1940 that they weren't working hard enough.

After the war, the two were investigated by the occupying Allied powers and initially banned by the French from continuing their business activities but then had the judgment overturned by the Americans, Bild reported.

Harf said the family would donate 10 million euros ($11.3 million) to a not-yet-determined charity as a gesture, and once the historian's report is complete, it would be released to the public.

"The whole truth must be put on the table," he said.



not sweet.......bitter.....?!



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: March 25, 2019 05:21PM
Throw another witch on the fire... it's still cold out.



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Re: dark past?!.....Panera Bread owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: March 25, 2019 05:38PM
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Paul F.
Throw another witch on the fire... it's still cold out.
yep!
Changed the subject line, pondering if there will be less snow for Panera Bread, Peet's, Keurig, et al?
I remember all the griping in the '60s about VW & Porsche.
When does BMW get caught up in the hysteria??



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 25, 2019 07:57PM
Nazi germany was a sad chapter in history. We should continue to understand it and work to keep it from happening again. (Looks at US Politics).. oh. Crap.
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: March 25, 2019 07:57PM
For contrast, see the food post on the other side.



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 25, 2019 08:14PM
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cbelt3
Nazi germany was a sad chapter in history. We should continue to understand it and work to keep it from happening again. (Looks at US Politics).. oh. Crap.

I am still conflicted about this. Nazis did so many horrible things, yet I have some many German friends that are good people.
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: August West
Date: March 25, 2019 09:31PM
I will never be conflicted about the Nazi horror. Pure evil.



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: Grumpyguy
Date: March 25, 2019 09:47PM
How long are people responsible for the actions fo their ancestors?

It's like as a culture we are going backwards.

What's next? We follow North Korea's penal system, where families, for generations are jailed?



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 25, 2019 09:51PM
What my grandparents or great grandparents may or may not have done has nothing to do with me. Why does anyone care?

Those full of righteous indignation have likely never delved into their own ancestry.
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: March 25, 2019 10:42PM
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Racer X
What my grandparents or great grandparents may or may not have done has nothing to do with me. Why does anyone care?

Those full of righteous indignation have likely never delved into their own ancestry.

All those commercials for DNA and genealogy testing and research want you to think no one reprehensible could possibly be in your family tree.

It shouldn’t change your opinion of yourself to learn that you have unsavory people in the family tree. Nor should it change your opinion of yourself if you turn out to have ancestors who were related to royalty or were illustrious because of their achievements. But you can be pretty sure that a lot of people feel unjustifiably pleased about the latter outcome.

Those of you who don’t understand how Germans have wrestled with that horrible period in their history should not be quick to dismiss the extent of the trauma, and the desire of some to make amends for what family members did.



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 25, 2019 10:42PM
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Racer X
What my grandparents or great grandparents may or may not have done has nothing to do with me. Why does anyone care?

Those full of righteous indignation have likely never delved into their own ancestry.

In this case the family fortune was built upon what those grandparents and great grandparents did during that period. It also appears they had the opportunity to "come clean" about it 40 some years ago, but chose to do their best to hide it. Some people do care where their money came from.
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 25, 2019 10:43PM
....you have to look back......or you will be doomed to repeat it.....



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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 25, 2019 10:52PM
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JoeH
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Racer X
What my grandparents or great grandparents may or may not have done has nothing to do with me. Why does anyone care?

Those full of righteous indignation have likely never delved into their own ancestry.

In this case the family fortune was built upon what those grandparents and great grandparents did during that period. It also appears they had the opportunity to "come clean" about it 40 some years ago, but chose to do their best to hide it. Some people do care where their money came from.

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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: max
Date: March 25, 2019 11:30PM
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space-time
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cbelt3
Nazi germany was a sad chapter in history. We should continue to understand it and work to keep it from happening again. (Looks at US Politics).. oh. Crap.

I am still conflicted about this. Nazis did so many horrible things, yet I have some many German friends that are good people.

There are good people on both sides....
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: max
Date: March 25, 2019 11:38PM
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August West
I will never be conflicted about the Nazi horror. Pure evil.

It cannot be forgotten, it cannot be forgiven....
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 26, 2019 12:55AM
It cannot be forgotten, it cannot be forgiven....


Just so long as people know the difference between those responsible and those who weren't.

I know of people who still hold all Japanese responsible for the Pearl Harbor attack, and become devout patriots on 7 Dec. Many of them chose not to serve in military service, but...

So we can make profound proclamations but need to take care we don't become misguided zealots in our own 'right'.

The whole 'sins of the father' crap gets abused a lot.




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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: rz
Date: March 26, 2019 11:55AM
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max
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space-time
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cbelt3
Nazi germany was a sad chapter in history. We should continue to understand it and work to keep it from happening again. (Looks at US Politics).. oh. Crap.

I am still conflicted about this. Nazis did so many horrible things, yet I have some many German friends that are good people.

There are good people on both sides....

Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 26, 2019 11:58AM
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Speedy
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JoeH
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Racer X
What my grandparents or great grandparents may or may not have done has nothing to do with me. Why does anyone care?

Those full of righteous indignation have likely never delved into their own ancestry.

In this case the family fortune was built upon what those grandparents and great grandparents did during that period. It also appears they had the opportunity to "come clean" about it 40 some years ago, but chose to do their best to hide it. Some people do care where their money came from.

This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^


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Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 27, 2019 10:46AM
Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

Is it your implication that there aren't?

That there aren't good Germans, or that somebody is implying there're good Nazis? I think the latter unlikely.


Those of you who don’t understand how Germans have wrestled with that horrible period in their history should not be quick to dismiss the extent of the trauma, and the desire of some to make amends for what family members did.

This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^ This^




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men
except by believing all possible evil
of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: dark past?!.....Krispy Kreme donut owners admit to 'Nazi' past......
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 27, 2019 11:25AM
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RAMd®d
Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

Is it your implication that there aren't?

That there aren't good Germans, or that somebody is implying there're good Nazis? ....

In max’s quote above, the “both sides” are regular Germans on one side, and Nazis on the other.
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