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The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 29, 2019 02:46PM
The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers to transmit all 911 calls to a PSAP, regardless of whether the caller subscribes to the provider's service or not.

[www.fcc.gov]

No, this is not about breaking news.

So, I buy a SIM-Free phone from anybody (though my SIM-free SE from Apple came with something in the tray).

To use the 'Phone, I need to get a SIM from a carrier. I can't make a 9-1-1 call without a SIM, but once I get a new one, it doesn't need to be activated for 9-1-1 calls?

I've seen several reports, all unconfirmed, saying an LTE Watch, by FCC rules should be able to make 9-1-1 calls, same as any cellphone.

But since it doesn't accept a physical SIM, there would seem to be no way to associate it to a carrier without first activating it. So it would appear that buying a Watch and making 9-1-1 calls only from it wouldn't be possible.

Yes, no?




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/29/2019 02:48PM by RAMd®d.
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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 29, 2019 03:08PM
MAybe.
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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: August 29, 2019 03:57PM
According to the post, Apple engineers relayed back that the LTE Apple Watch “should be capable of making SOS calls even if cellular service has never been linked/activated, same as a phone.”


Well, that gives me hope, but I don't understand the tech involved.

As the call took several minutes connect to 9-1-1, was it searching for any provider– att, VZW, T-Mo, etc., to take the call?

Finally, some carrier decided to answer up?


This shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise given that cellular capable devices can make emergency calls even when a cellular connection is turned off.

Still, without knowing the exact techanism that allows this, turning of established service doesn't seem the same to me, as accessing some random network without ever having been linked/activated to a network.

Thank you for the link!




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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 29, 2019 04:37PM
Ramd - I've asked the question of the Apple Support group.
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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: space-time
Date: August 29, 2019 05:09PM
Take your SIM out and try 911 from your iPhone. If it works, it should also work from a watch.
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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: August 29, 2019 07:12PM
Just find someone with a watch and make the call and see what happens. I have to do it all the time to test phone systems.

When they answer just tell them " This is not an emergency, I am testing the functionality of X device to successfully place a 911 call and could they please report back what the caller ID/Location of the device reports as in their system.

Only time I ever got any flack was when I couldn't figure out why and elevator phone wouldn't play the correct message and had to call 5 or 6 times in the span of a few minutes to keep testing.



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Re: The FCC's basic 911 rules require wireless service providers...
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 30, 2019 07:24AM
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Ramd - I've asked the question of the Apple Support group.
The response is .. without activation, it won't work.
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