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The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: September 10, 2019 07:44PM
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Camera sales are falling sharply

Camera sales are continuing to falling off a cliff. The latest data from the Camera & Imaging Products Association (CIPA) shows them in a swoon befitting a Bollywood roadside Romeo. All four big camera brands — Sony, Fuji, Canon, and Nikon — are reposting rapid declines. And it is not just the point and shoot cameras whose sales are collapsing. We also see sales of higher-end DSLR cameras stall. And — wait for it — even mirrorless cameras, which were supposed to be a panacea for all that ails the camera business, are heading south. . .

[om.co]

But. . . I don't want to use a camera without a viewfinder!

/Mr Lynn



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 10, 2019 08:02PM
When I go somewhere and I ask a stranger to take a picture of us with our dSLR, I have to explained to them where to look and to push hard 90% of the times. It got so bad that I think of lugging around a tripod and a remote.

And someone else with a dSLR asked me to take a picture of them because it seems like I know what I am doing. I guess they had similar experiences.

And cell phones pictures get better and better, or at least good enough. And the camera you have on you is better than the dSLR at home/in-the-car, etc.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: September 10, 2019 08:21PM
every item of every variety is decreasing in number. we have reached "peak stuff" and the used market is easier than ever to access at a click. I read this same story of guitars recently and we all know about car sales, computer sales, etc.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 10, 2019 08:38PM
Didn't Price post how a $300 used camera took great photos?

We have a DSLR and an SX50 - both are only used now for projects, we don't carry them even on a vacation.

The new iPhones represent the future, even though a good DSLR from a few years ago will be better. 'Better' is only incremental. For many, a decent color-matched 2MP image is fine.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: September 10, 2019 08:41PM
The end of entry level to mid level point and shoot cameras will likely disappear.

Mirror-less interchangeable cameras will also likely end entry level DSLR.

DSLR camera makers will reap what they sowed in gouging customers at the height of the DSLR boom. I have a long memory of what Canon and Nikon did during the boom. Increasing prices beyond inflation for unimproved products still has me steaming.



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 10, 2019 08:57PM
....you can't take selfies with a regular camera.....!!!!!



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: space-time
Date: September 10, 2019 09:25PM
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NewtonMP2100
....you can't take selfies with a regular camera.....!!!!!

LOL, so true. But they did have some cameras with 2 screens, a small screen in the front for selfies. The real issue is that you cannot easily post those selfies on facebook and instagram.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2019 09:25PM by space-time.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: September 10, 2019 09:41PM
I didn't try posting the sales chart from that article, because it was huge, but it was scary! Take a look at it.

I've been thinking of buying a light, but good camera for travel. I've got my Rebel T2i+Tamron 18-270, and my SX50, but the Rebel is heavy and while I use the SX50 for birds and some walkabout, I don't like it. Got my eye on the newish Canon M50 mirrorless, although the 15-45 kit lens isn't much, and the longer lens they sell in a kit in the UK (which you can get here in the USA), an 18-150, will be a little awkward to carry, it's still lighter than the DSLR. It's got the same sensor as the Rebel, and while it has an electronic viewfinder, it's a pretty good one.

I know people are taking fancy iPhones everywhere these days, and they take pretty good photos—even my iPhone 6 does—but I hate holding a camera out at arm's length and using a screen, and the reach is really limited. . .

Have to say this about the SX50: I couldn't have gotten this with a shorter lens:



Young Great Blue Herons in a rookery, maybe 75 yards away. Fuzzy, but still recognizable.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: September 10, 2019 10:29PM
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mrbigstuff
we have reached "peak stuff" .

i used to read stories of celebrities getting mugged and losing thousands of dollars worth of stuff in the attack. my first thought was always a perplexed why are they walking around with that much stuff anyway. the other day i realized that considering my apple watch, iphone, and airpods i was walking around with over $1000 worth of stuff. and this was just to walk the dog. it made me kind of nervous TBH.

peak stuff, indeed.



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: September 11, 2019 03:42AM
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mrlynn

Have to say this about the SX50: I couldn't have gotten this with a shorter lens:



Young Great Blue Herons in a rookery, maybe 75 yards away. Fuzzy, but still recognizable.

/Mr Lynn



Right on!       Still lovin' the SX40 after all these years.
Stuff you really can't shoot with an iPhone;

Picked Baby Buzz, handheld, out of the crowd at around 130 yards over seven years ago...



Little red bird in Maui, also handheld, at around 50-55 yards about five and half years ago...



Big red moon, 2 second exposure w/ timer on a tripod, at about 239,000 miles from January of this year...



When iPhones can pull these shots off, *maybe*  I'll consider not taking a camera... cool smiley
IOW, I'll likely get a SX90*, before trusting the iPhone 14 with all photo tasks.


*Canon is probably gonna have to rejigger their numbering system soon, so I don't know what the real model number is gonna be.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: Sam3
Date: September 11, 2019 05:06AM
One of the photographers that I follow on Youtube, Tony Northrup, has been railing on camera manufacturers to start adopting the ease of use of phones into cameras, if the camera manufacturers want to stem the tide of falling sales. As space-time suggests, the manufacturers need to be adopt cell phone ease of use so that people can easily share to social media. Either make it such that photos can be sent directly from the camera, or at least make the tethering the camera to the phone seamless, such that photos can be transferred from the camera to phone with no intervention. I have both Canon and Sony, and both camera's system software is, at best, clunky. It's a many-step process to get the camera and phone to talk to each other, then there is a limited choice in how to select and transfer the photos.

I have the Canon m50 mirrorrless with the 18-150 lens (29-240mm FF equivalent), and it is a nice, tiny package that takes decent pictures. I got it because I wanted a larger sensor lightweight camera, as carrying around a Canon 6D with the 24-70 f2.8 L IS lens becomes uncomfortable after a while.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: 3d
Date: September 11, 2019 05:55AM
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mrlynn
But. . . I don't want to use a camera without a viewfinder!
/Mr Lynn

What are you,,, a kale eating, artisanal water sipping hipster?
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 11, 2019 06:01AM
....they still use hidden cameras in that AirBnB that you rented....or in the company bathroom......or in the bathroom on the airplane....or....



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: September 11, 2019 06:24AM
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3d
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mrlynn
But. . . I don't want to use a camera without a viewfinder!
/Mr Lynn

What are you,,, a kale eating, artisanal water sipping hipster?

No way. I'm a cheeseburger-eatin', beer-drinkin', old hillbilly.

/Mr Lynn
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: September 11, 2019 06:35AM
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Sam3
One of the photographers that I follow on Youtube, Tony Northrup, has been railing on camera manufacturers to start adopting the ease of use of phones into cameras, if the camera manufacturers want to stem the tide of falling sales. As space-time suggests, the manufacturers need to be adopt cell phone ease of use so that people can easily share to social media. Either make it such that photos can be sent directly from the camera, or at least make the tethering the camera to the phone seamless, such that photos can be transferred from the camera to phone with no intervention. I have both Canon and Sony, and both camera's system software is, at best, clunky. It's a many-step process to get the camera and phone to talk to each other, then there is a limited choice in how to select and transfer the photos.

I have the Canon m50 mirrorrless with the 18-150 lens (29-240mm FF equivalent), and it is a nice, tiny package that takes decent pictures. I got it because I wanted a larger sensor lightweight camera, as carrying around a Canon 6D with the 24-70 f2.8 L IS lens becomes uncomfortable after a while.

Reviews of the M50 I've seen say the camera synchs easily (Bluetooth?) with your smart phone, both for storing photos and for sending them to the Internet. Sounds like you wouldn't agree.

Canon does not bundle the 18-150 with the M50 here in the States, but Amazon and 6th Avenue are now offering the 'International' bundle. The standard 15-45 kit lens makes a nice, small package that will fit into an inconspicuous leather case for traveling. Will the 18-150 as well?

I was also thinking about Sony, but with an adapter I would also be able to use my Tamron 18-270 on the M50, which also (unlike Canon's M5 and M100) comes with a built-in EVF.

/Mr Lynn



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: TLB
Date: September 11, 2019 07:23AM
I took pictures with both my SX-50 and iphone SE on our Alaska trip. The SX-50 was orders of magnitude better even with the close shots. Of course my phone is a few generations behind...
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 11, 2019 09:41AM
l've reached peak photo storage, myself. I don't have the patience to sort, delete and edit what I have. 95% no one else will see or even care about if they do. I'm not excited about taking more. I lug my D90 (yup, ten years old and works fine) on vacation and that's about it. I mean, it IS great and much more capable. But the iPhone SE is fine for random in-the-moment snapshots.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: September 11, 2019 10:40AM
To be fair, most people who will let a phone of any brand become their full time camera, have little to no interest in taking long distance pictures. They want take pics or snaps, and some times, very nice ones.

The Event showed what fantastic pictures the new line up is capable of. They'd be a great camera for a lot of people, and always there, for the most part.

Apple showed what the can do, but didn't say they'd do everything. That would have been foolish.

Non-photographers pretty much know what they want to do with a camera, and know whether or not a phone or camera will work for them. The same applies to photographers.

To wit, a phone will be an excellent choice for a lot of people. And for others, there's always a camera when they want one.




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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: September 11, 2019 12:05PM
How many people had a nice slr with a stable of lenses back in the film era, let alone actually used them on a regular basis?

I suspect most people had some inexpensive point and shoot film camera, or a Polaroid.

In other words, the sky is not falling, however, the gravy train is ending.
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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: mrlynn
Date: September 11, 2019 01:03PM
Looking at the chart in the article I linked, it would seem to show that with the advent of digital photography, there was a boom in camera sales, which now the smart phones with their built-in digital cameras have usurped.

Are cameras going the way of dedicated servers, as the author suggests? I suggest not. There are enough professionals and hobbyists to keep the business alive, but at the new, comparatively low levels.

/Mr Lynn



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Re: The End of the Camera?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 11, 2019 01:19PM
....what about.....cam....corder......??



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