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Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 02, 2019 03:10AM
The report, undertaken by the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA), also warned it was not possible to predict the magnitude of earthquakes fracking might trigger.

Fracking, also known as hydraulic fracturing, involves pumping water, chemicals and sand underground at high pressure to fracture shale rock and release trapped oil and gas.


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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 02, 2019 03:31AM
The USA set a new record last year for bbls of oil produced. Drive oil prices down far enough for gas and I'll have to park my two PHEVs.



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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 02, 2019 03:36AM
Supply goes up and so does pump price: currently @ 4.25 for mid range here in Los Angeles.
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Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 02, 2019 04:36AM
$2.429 here in flyover country.



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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: DP
Date: November 02, 2019 07:20AM
I paid $2.339 at my local Costco a couple of days ago. Frack away...





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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: PeterW
Date: November 02, 2019 07:24AM
$2.129 here in kudzu country. Fracking is okay with us.
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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: November 02, 2019 08:20AM
.....what.....the.....frack.......?!?!?!?



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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: space-time
Date: November 02, 2019 08:23AM
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PeterW
$2.129 here in kudzu country. Fracking is okay with us.

how would yo feel if you got bad water at the faucet? there are people in rural PA that get methane at their faucet, they can light it up.
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Posted by: PeterW
Date: November 02, 2019 08:40AM
And that methane is not necessarily related to fracking - [www.sciencemag.org]
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Posted by: sekker
Date: November 02, 2019 10:18AM
Earthquakes in OK are entirely due to fracking.
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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 02, 2019 11:26AM
However, it has stopped short of an outright ban.

?




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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 02, 2019 11:50AM
The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said that, after the OGA concluded that further seismic activity could not be ruled out, "further consents for fracking will not be granted" unless the industry "can reliably predict and control tremors" linked to the process.

I predict that by Tue$day the concern$ will be adre$$ed.
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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 02, 2019 12:41PM
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PeterW
And that methane is not necessarily related to fracking - [www.sciencemag.org]

The oil and gas industry thrives on producing disinformation. You might feel different if you personally didn't have methane in your water for 40 years and then had it after a company started fracking nearby. That article doesn't mention earthquakes, which has been a major problem near some sites.



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Posted by: August West
Date: November 02, 2019 02:04PM
The article states that both sides of the science recognize the bad outcomes of fracking. The cited study was funded by the energy industry and is, IMHO, as stated above, meant as disinformation and obfuscation. It manages to dilute the effects of the bad outcomes.



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Posted by: maco
Date: November 02, 2019 02:14PM
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sekker
Earthquakes in OK are entirely due to fracking.

Oklahoma earthquakes linked to oil and gas wastewater disposal wells, say Stanford researchers

[news.stanford.edu]

Researchers map susceptibility to human-made earthquakes

[www.sciencedaily.com]
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Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: November 02, 2019 02:24PM
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maco
Researchers map susceptibility to human-made earthquakes

[www.sciencedaily.com]

I thought there would be an actual map of likely earthquake areas along with the article, but nope, no map.



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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 02, 2019 03:25PM
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Thrift Store Scott
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maco
Researchers map susceptibility to human-made earthquakes

[www.sciencedaily.com]

I thought there would be an actual map of likely earthquake areas along with the article, but nope, no map.

It's easy enough to find. This is for Oklahoma. earthquakes.ok.gov/what-we-know/earthquake-map/
Compare the number and size from 2000-2009, and then 2015. "Until 2008, the state had one or two 3.0-magnitude quakes a year. In 2015, it had 857."



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Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: November 02, 2019 04:14PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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Thrift Store Scott
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maco
Researchers map susceptibility to human-made earthquakes

[www.sciencedaily.com]

I thought there would be an actual map of likely earthquake areas along with the article, but nope, no map.

It's easy enough to find. This is for Oklahoma. earthquakes.ok.gov/what-we-know/earthquake-map/
Compare the number and size from 2000-2009, and then 2015. "Until 2008, the state had one or two 3.0-magnitude quakes a year. In 2015, it had 857."

Cool, thanks!



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Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: November 02, 2019 04:42PM
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RAMd®d
However, it has stopped short of an outright ban.

?
The headlines have been very confusing. It is, in fact, a moratorium on fracking imposed "until and unless" extraction is proved safe (from linked article in OP). This could be extrapolated to be a ban dressed up as a moratorium, but it is not an outright ban.



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Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: November 02, 2019 06:59PM
Thanks, $tevie.




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by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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-An armed society is a polite society.
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Posted by: RgrF
Date: November 02, 2019 07:37PM
Re: Frack you!* Britain goes where the US fears to tread, bans it entirely.
Posted by: sekker
Date: November 03, 2019 11:38AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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Thrift Store Scott
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maco
Researchers map susceptibility to human-made earthquakes

[www.sciencedaily.com]

I thought there would be an actual map of likely earthquake areas along with the article, but nope, no map.

It's easy enough to find. This is for Oklahoma. earthquakes.ok.gov/what-we-know/earthquake-map/
Compare the number and size from 2000-2009, and then 2015. "Until 2008, the state had one or two 3.0-magnitude quakes a year. In 2015, it had 857."

The change is unreal. I would never have imagined humans could cause such massive geographical changes in only a few years.

I’m not familiar with the methane stories, but there’s no question fracking will increase the risk of moving the gas around - that’s literally what it does.
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Posted by: JoeH
Date: November 03, 2019 03:11PM
The bit with methane going into ground water basically comes down to this:

IF they drill deep enough and do the fracking deep enough,

and IF they properly install the well casing into the rock formation they drilled into,

and IF they don't happen to open up a fracture into an existing fault going towards the surface,

and IF another bunch of things are done right,

then the fracking will not release additional methane and other contaminants into ground water above the area being fracked.

The industry likes to point to all of these as "best practices" with the implication that every last well is being done properly. In reality some of these can't be easily checked, there are too few inspectors to see that the practices are followed completely and exactly, and there are a number "fly by night" operations in the field who regularly cut corners. After the fact it may not be easy to track back such a leak upwards into the ground water to a particular well or wells.



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Posted by: Acer
Date: November 04, 2019 10:09AM
While well water contamination has happened, it is rare. Here in PA fracking is everywhere. If it were anything more than a rare problem, you'd see it a lot more, in my anecdotally-informed opinion.

I'm no fan of fracking. Pads and pipelines slice through habitats. Vast quantities of waste water must be processed. Compressor stations are a loud, fumed nuisance. In many states, surface property owners get no piece of the pie because mineral rights were reserved or deeded separately decades ago. And, in the long term, it may not be as dirty, but it's pumping fossilized carbon dioxide back into the air, along with escaped methane that's even worse for global warming.

But yeah, methane in your sink has happened.



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Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: November 04, 2019 10:31AM
That's another stealth affect of fracking. Methane has a fairly short life as a greenhouse gas, but it has a larger influence over it's estimated 9 year life.

Remember the massive Porter Ranch natural gas leak from the underground storage site that lasted for five months?

There are tens of thousands of smaller leaks from fracking sites every day.

11 billion tons of ice melted in Greenland — in just one day [cbsnews.com]



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