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Frustrated today
Posted by: davemchine
Date: December 06, 2019 12:00PM
Putting on my old man pants. There was a day when Apple made products that worked. Maybe they didn't have as many features as Windows but what they did worked well. Now everything is a struggle. Just getting music to play thru my house is unreliable and difficult. I feel like a grumpy old man today. Maybe I'll go spin some vinyl.
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: pinion
Date: December 06, 2019 12:15PM
"Alexa, play music everywhere"

Although that isn't without it's own setup struggles. But it wasn't hard and has worked ever since.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: testcase
Date: December 06, 2019 12:28PM
agree smiley

You’re preaching to the choir, davemachine.........
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 06, 2019 12:51PM
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testcase
agree smiley

You’re preaching to the choir, davemachine.........

No problems here. Maybe its your setup.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: davemchine
Date: December 06, 2019 01:01PM
JDC, there should be a bot that posts your response to every problem. :-)
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: December 06, 2019 01:08PM
When you make old man noises in response to OSX's shenanigans....

Uuuugh... Grooooaaann... Oy !
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: December 06, 2019 01:12PM
I agree. My latest issue is the fingerprint reader often takes 30+ seconds to be usable after my MBP wakes from sleep.




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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: davemchine
Date: December 06, 2019 01:51PM
MAVIC, I could make a very long list of things that don't work anymore. I'm sure you could also. If it's not related to the iPhone it doesn't seem to get any attention.

One of my many gripes is where did the error messages go? Now when something doesn't work it just...doesn't work. No indication of what the problem might be which makes it very difficult to troubleshoot.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 06, 2019 02:06PM
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davemchine
Putting on my old man pants. There was a day when Apple made products that worked. Maybe they didn't have as many features as Windows but what they did worked well. Now everything is a struggle. Just getting music to play thru my house is unreliable and difficult. I feel like a grumpy old man today. Maybe I'll go spin some vinyl.

You're not the only one who feels that way, trust me.



It is what it is.
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 06, 2019 02:12PM
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davemchine
One of my many gripes is where did the error messages go? Now when something doesn't work it just...doesn't work. No indication of what the problem might be which makes it very difficult to troubleshoot.

A very keen observation, one I myself have made many times in recent years.

I think two of the driving forces behind these changes are:

- a new generation of Apple OS developers who were never exposed to and do not share the same devotion to design excellence that the original generation of developers had.
- Apple's realization that the majority of Mac users today are Windows switchers who, because of their collective Microsoft/PC experience, have much lower expectations of the company and its products than original Mac users have.



It is what it is.
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: CJsNvrUrly
Date: December 06, 2019 02:42PM
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davemchine
Putting on my old man pants. There was a day when Apple made products that worked. Maybe they didn't have as many features as Windows but what they did worked well. Now everything is a struggle. Just getting music to play thru my house is unreliable and difficult. I feel like a grumpy old man today. Maybe I'll go spin some vinyl.

I lamented this in a post the other day so I guess that makes me a grumpy old woman. old fogey smiley




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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 06, 2019 03:04PM




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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: Spiff
Date: December 06, 2019 03:19PM
Sonos. Just works
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: December 06, 2019 04:33PM
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davemchine
Just getting music to play thru my house is unreliable and difficult.

No problems here, Dave. In fact, AirPlay 2 provides exact synchronization from all speakers—works like a charm!

AirPlay: It just works.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 06, 2019 05:09PM
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davemchine
JDC, there should be a bot that posts your response to every problem. :-)

So... this is only a rants only forum now ;)

Sorry, but we have 4 iMacs (well 5 really, 2007-2014), 2 MBPs (2012s), 3 iPads (newer), 4 iPhones (SE-XR), 3 AWs (0s and a 4), 2 wireless printers (new epson and old brother) and 2 airpods... with various BT speakers around the house (mostly anker). Everything wireless. No ethernet. about a 2000 SF house. Single story.

All of them work *exactly* as we expect, everyday. My oldest yells "hey siri" all damn day.

Sure, my teenagers like to complain every time it takes longer than 10 seconds for a web site to load... but otherwise... meh. It just works.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: davemchine
Date: December 06, 2019 09:56PM
JDC, my point was that could could respond “works for me” to any problem post. It’s not helpful.
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: wave rider
Date: December 06, 2019 11:50PM
Been considering suspenders for my old grumpy man pants…



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: jdc
Date: December 07, 2019 12:36AM
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davemchine
JDC, my point was that could could respond “works for me” to any problem post. It’s not helpful.

fair enough. smiley-sw018



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: December 07, 2019 12:48AM
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davemchine
JDC, my point was that could could respond “works for me” to any problem post. It’s not helpful.

Is complaining about an issue you encountered without providing details helpful? Are you interested in finding the causes of (and hopefully solutions to) your problems?
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: December 07, 2019 12:55AM
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M A V I C
I agree. My latest issue is the fingerprint reader often takes 30+ seconds to be usable after my MBP wakes from sleep.

Got FileVault turned on?

I've seen this a many times with FileVault enabled Macs.

If you have a 2016 MacBook Pro, it's not using a T2 chip for encryption and it takes forever to wake.

If you have a 2018 or later, it's using the T2 chip for hardware-encryption and it wakes within a second or two.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: DP
Date: December 07, 2019 06:33AM
- a new generation of Apple OS developers who were never exposed to and do not share the same devotion to design excellence that the original generation of developers had.
- Apple's realization that the majority of Mac users today are Windows switchers who, because of their collective Microsoft/PC experience, have much lower expectations of the company and its products than original Mac users have.


I think it's just that Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs. Cook is a money guy and the priority for Apple now is to make shareholders happy. That's it.





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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 07, 2019 11:27AM
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DP
- a new generation of Apple OS developers who were never exposed to and do not share the same devotion to design excellence that the original generation of developers had.
- Apple's realization that the majority of Mac users today are Windows switchers who, because of their collective Microsoft/PC experience, have much lower expectations of the company and its products than original Mac users have.


I think it's just that Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs. Cook is a money guy and the priority for Apple now is to make shareholders happy. That's it.

Also true.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 07, 2019 08:36PM
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Sarcany
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M A V I C
I agree. My latest issue is the fingerprint reader often takes 30+ seconds to be usable after my MBP wakes from sleep.

Got FileVault turned on?

I've seen this a many times with FileVault enabled Macs.

If you have a 2016 MacBook Pro, it's not using a T2 chip for encryption and it takes forever to wake.

If you have a 2018 or later, it's using the T2 chip for hardware-encryption and it wakes within a second or two.

Can be slow unlocking from your Apple Watch, too.
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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: sekker
Date: December 07, 2019 08:38PM
As for music - we are enjoying using a google assistant to control google play music on our main audio system tied to the TV.

We will have an iTunes server, too, with our ancient mp3 library. That STILL works.



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: December 08, 2019 09:10AM
Comparing today to the "old days" is just impossible. Think about all of the technologies that did not exist back in the "good old days":iDevices, Wifi, Airplay, the internet, smart houses, streaming services, etc etc etc. Today's developers have a million more things to worry about that developers for OS 7, 8 or 9.

Someone above lamented that Windows offers so many more "features" than OS X, which is why it's always had its fair share of bugs. It us users that have demanded that more features be added to OS X and the need for computers in everything.

I don't adopt every new available technology if I don't absolutely need it. Why would I need a fingerprint scanner to wake my laptop? Smart light bulbs? Nope. Smart appliances? Nope. Wireless ear buds? Nope.

There are things I do use a hundred times a day and I adore them. My AppleWatch, Apple Pay, AirPlay, streaming of anything to my TV or car stereo. They absolutely "just work".



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Re: Frustrated today
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: December 08, 2019 04:59PM
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Markintosh
Comparing today to the "old days" is just impossible. Think about all of the technologies that did not exist back in the "good old days":iDevices, Wifi, Airplay, the internet, smart houses, streaming services, etc etc etc. Today's developers have a million more things to worry about that developers for OS 7, 8 or 9.

To me, "the good old days" refers to the Snow Leopard era. That version of OS X handled all the technologies above just fine, with perhaps the exception of smart houses -- better than any of its predecessors, in fact.

IIRC, it was the very next release of OS X in which Apple began the process of integrating connectivity to third-party social media at the OS level. IMHO, this was their first misstep; things have only gotten worse from there.

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Markintosh
It us users that have demanded that more features be added to OS X and the need for computers in everything.

I don't recall a hue and cry from Mac users lamenting the lack of features in OS X... because there wasn't one. It is Apple that has been insistent upon adding feature after feature to the OS -- many of which, IMHO, have been added simply for the sake of change.



It is what it is.



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