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180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: hal
Date: January 09, 2020 06:20PM
OOOooo... I like speed.

Of course there are 3000mb/s setups out there, but I've never touched one.

I'm up/downgrading my TV viewing/nighttime interneting mac mini.

I've been using a 2014 2.8GHz 8GB RAM 500GB PCI SSD and I liked it, but I've been noticing that with SO MUCH ACTIVITY going on, it feels a little slow sometimes. Mostly in bring a window from the background to the foreground there would be a momentary lag. The PCI ssd is fast, but the lack of memory slows it a bit.

This computer is for watching media and the 500GB would fill up too fast. I've been running it with 80-120GB free space. It just bogs down when it fills up. I noticed that going less than 70GB free really slows the system.

I picked up a 2014 2.6GHz 16GB RAM 256 PCI SSD. I have a 1TB ssd laying around.

New plan - keep the 2.6 with its 16GB RAM and add the SATA 1TB SSD to the PCI SSD and put all of the media on the SATA drive leaving the PCI SSD for apps and OS only.

This system is faster than the 2.8GHz.

AND SPECIAL BONUS! Fastest transfer rate I've ever seen. Moving 180GB of media from the 2.8GHz PCI SSD to the SATA SSD on the 2.6GHz mini over thunderbolt cable, activity monitor showed 300 - 400MB/s constantly for about 10 minutes.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: January 09, 2020 06:36PM
I agree:

2.8 GHz >(very small) 2.6 GHz
16GB >> 8GB

FYI the PCIe SSD in the 2014 Minis can be replaced with any NVMe SSD with the addition of a ~$20 adapter. My server at home is a 1.4 Mini which originally came with just a 500GB HDD. Utter trash. Added a 500GB WD Black NVMe SSD with the adapter, plus a 2TB HDD for bulk storage and it's a usable data/video server now.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: hal
Date: January 09, 2020 06:41PM
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Lew Zealand
I agree:

2.8 GHz >(very small) 2.6 GHz
16GB >> 8GB

FYI the PCIe SSD in the 2014 Minis can be replaced with any NVMe SSD with the addition of a ~$20 adapter. My server at home is a 1.4 Mini which originally came with just a 500GB HDD. Utter trash. Added a 500GB WD Black NVMe SSD with the adapter, plus a 2TB HDD for bulk storage and it's a usable data/video server now.

I handed a few of those 1.4s with PCI SSD and 16GB and I was really shocked at how useful it was compared to the stock 1.4s - indeed garbage.

I've been meaning to look into those NVMe drives + adapters...
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: January 09, 2020 06:58PM
FYI, this is the one I'm using:

[www.amazon.com]

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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: hal
Date: January 09, 2020 07:46PM
thanks!
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 10, 2020 03:34AM
FYI, this is the one I'm using...


What's the difference between the NVMe and ACHI ssds?

I'd be tempted to put one in my 2012 2.6 to replace the 1T spinner.

I wouldn't gain much by running an NVMe externally.

It's got 12G in it as one 8G stick seems to have gone a little rogue.

I need to get another 8G for it. 16G is the max, unfortunately.




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Everybody matters or nobody matters.

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by believing all possible evil of evil men.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2020 03:35AM by RAMd®d.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 10, 2020 03:37AM
Does that adapter need a single-sided NVM3 or will a double-sided work?




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: January 10, 2020 11:43AM
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RAMd®d
Does that adapter need a single-sided NVM3 or will a double-sided work?

There is clearance for a double sided one to fit.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: January 10, 2020 11:45AM
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RAMd®d
FYI, this is the one I'm using...


What's the difference between the NVMe and ACHI ssds?

I'd be tempted to put one in my 2012 2.6 to replace the 1T spinner.

I wouldn't gain much by running an NVMe externally.

It's got 12G in it as one 8G stick seems to have gone a little rogue.

I need to get another 8G for it. 16G is the max, unfortunately.

AHCI is an older specification, which has something to do with legacy SATA-type commands IIRC, where NVMe doesn't have that legacy baggage and was designed from the start to be optimized for Flash/NAND drives only. Some older drives are AHCI but I don't think any new ones are being made.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: pdq
Date: January 10, 2020 01:18PM
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RAMd®d
FYI, this is the one I'm using...

I'd be tempted to put one in my 2012 2.6 to replace the 1T spinner.

.

I don’t think you can - the illustrated adapter is only for late 2014 Minis.

However, having a 2012 Mini myself, it looks like their eBay value compares well with the 2014 Mini (I assume because the latter is otherwise limited). I dunno if it’s worth the fuss of buying a 2014, setting it up with a NVME PCIe SSD, moving everything over, and then selling the 2012.

But I’m considering it.
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Re: 180GB transfered in 10min also, slow GHz + more ram better than faster GHz and less ram
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: January 10, 2020 02:20PM
I don’t think you can - the illustrated adapter is only for late 2014 Minis.


Hm.

Thank you for that.

So it looks like an internal 2.5" SSD would be as good as it gets.

If I were to do that, I might as well add a second SSD.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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