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Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: February 10, 2020 07:46AM
I am posting this as information for people to make informed decisions and have real net discussions. The story illustrates that China is definitely taking the Corona Virus seriously.




[www.nbcnews.com]

Two videos have surfaced on social media that appear to show people in China being taken for quarantine or isolation over the coronavirus, which has sickened tens of thousands and killed more than 700 people in the country.

In one video posted on Twitter on Friday, several people wearing white protective suits appear to forcibly remove three people from an apartment. One of the three appears to struggle against being led away.

Another of the three is seen lying on the floor and gripping a the door frame as if to avoid being taken away. After several minutes of struggle, the person is carried out of the apartment and downstairs.

The video was taken in the city of Kunshan, Jiangsu Province, at the home of a family who had returned from Hubei Province, where the capital city is Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, according to The Associated Press, citing a report Wednesday in the official provincial media outlet, Jiangsu Communication Broadcasting Station.

The Chinese media outlet reported that people have been asked to self-quarantine in their homes for 14 days. The family was taken away by local epidemic prevention personnel after they had returned home.

A second video posted Thursday on Twitter appears to show two people in the city of Suzhou, which is also in Jiangsu Province, standing on a sidewalk hugging before at least one of them is escorted into what looks like an isolation container on the back of a government vehicle.




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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: DP
Date: February 10, 2020 09:02AM
Of course! They don't have the same human rights recognition there. But I'll say this: I agree with them to a certain extent as the corona virus is affecting the economy greatly in China. They're panicking as the death toll rises with no cure in sight yet. Production suffers, tourism suffers, businesses are postponing approaching China for their own safety as well as uncertainty as to the duration of the crisis, etc., etc. There is also the fact that China can lose a considerable amount of "face" too in light of all of this. If they're seen as not trying to seriously get a hold on the situation, it can multiply greatly what they're losing in tourism and other business.

Video showing a man suspected of having coronavirus desperately sprinting away from officials trying to put him in quarantine has emerged, as the communist regime starts rounding up suffers in Wuhan and taking them to camps.

The clip, believed to be taken in Changqing Garden, Wuhan, shows a group of officials approaching the man who who is backed up against a wall.

The man suddenly starts running away from the officials who rapidly pursue him.

Some officials appear to be carrying large metal sticks as they run after him along nearly-deserted streets.


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Hell, the Singapore Airshow is affected by this:

The number of tickets for the public days of the Singapore Airshow this year will be limited to less than half of the previous edition due to the novel coronavirus situation here.

Over 70 companies have also withdrawn from the exhibiting at the event, which begins on Tuesday (Feb 11) and runs till Sunday (Feb 16). This dropout represents about 8 per cent of the total number of firms that had originally signed up, said Mr Leck Chet Lam, managing director of event organiser Experia Events, during a press conference on Sunday (Feb 9).

The withdrawals were due to recent travel restrictions and stricter company policies on non-essential employee travel in light of the coronavirus situation.


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While 70 companies out of 900+ doesn't seem like a great number, it does mean fewer sales for Chinese companies, with the attendant drop in revenue.

I think we'll be seeing more of this forced quarantining; at least, as much as the PRC will allow us to see.





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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Bernie
Date: February 10, 2020 09:05AM
24 minute video mid story by young man is quite good.

I may have posted it before. As the young man points out in his desperation is, that as he contacts all the "journalist" he knows, they are hiding out at their hotels and want to hear his story.

"Qiushi apparently — and I say apparently because I cannot independently verify Qiushi’s statements in the video — was doing citizen journalism to warn the outside world about the disastrous situation faced by China’s disorganization and failure in quelling the outbreak of the virus.

According to multiple sources Qiushi has now disappeared."


As Qiushi states at the end of the video If the virus doesn't get him the cops will.

I learned from him that the upright videos are the format of choice over there because ..... but he did this one horizontally because it was targeted for a Western audience.




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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Acer
Date: February 10, 2020 09:21AM
Quarantine isn't very effective if it's refusable. I don't know if its called for at this moment in the coronavirus case, but that's a call I am not qualified to make. And I'm not not saying it does not violate personal rights, but I think Spock had a saying about needs of many, needs of one, etc.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: February 10, 2020 09:53AM
.....new meaning to.....may the....force....be with you......



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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 10, 2020 12:49PM
There are plenty of stories/videos of people being locked in their apartments in China as forced quarantine. It is disturbing to see the police wear full medical PPE while the medical first responders seem to only get plain masks.

What I don't like to see are infection rates spiking on the quarantined cruise ships. I get the impression that they are not following proper procedures and are infecting many more people then expected. Phone calls from quarantined passengers imply that they are running out of prescriptions that they brought with them and it doesn't sound like officials are making arrangements to provide more supplies to last through the quarantine period.



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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 10, 2020 12:59PM
At the same time the Chinese government is censoring information, arresting some reporters and disappearing others. They are scrubbing any social media info that isn't official thus resulting in an underground network fed by rumors, misinformation and spreading fear among their populace.

They've responded badly to the crisis, not unlike the USSR bungling of the Chernobyl meltdown.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2020 01:22PM by RgrF.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 10, 2020 02:24PM
This is the same intensely autocratic Communist regime which has ONE MILLION Uighurs in prison and 're-education' detention camps.

What else did you expect?
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Bernie
Date: February 10, 2020 04:06PM
BREAKING: Washington Doctors SUCCESSFULLY Treat Coronavirus Patient with Experimental Anti-viral Medication — “Significantly” Improved in Hours (VIDEO)

Washington Coronavirus Patient Is Recovering After Receiving a Trial of an Experimental Antiviral Drug

"Remdesivir is made by the drug company Gilead Sciences. It is not yet licensed or approved but it is being tested as a coronavirus treatment."

Gilead Sciences Offers Experimental Drug for Coronavirus Treatments, Testing

"Unlike some of the other antivirals being examined, Gilead’s drug isn’t approved for use in humans by regulators in the U.S. or internationally. Unapproved drugs are sometimes put into use or in testing in emergencies when health authorities believe the drug could help patients who otherwise lack good treatments."

Wikipedia has already been updated to report the success of the stories. No mention as to why it was not approved.




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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2020 04:22PM by Bernie.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: February 10, 2020 04:40PM
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Acer
Quarantine isn't very effective if it's refusable... And I'm not not saying it does not violate personal rights...
There.. um.. aren't any real personal 'rights' in the People's Republic of China.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: The UnDoug
Date: February 10, 2020 06:42PM
Who is actually dying from this? Is it just the old and perhaps already not particularly healthy?

I'm genuinely curious, because I don't get the impression that it's young, healthy people dying. Not that I'd want *anyone* to die, but is it really that everyone that gets the virus is at risk of imminent death (which is sort of how I interpret much of the news coverage) or just that if untreated, it can be really bad, and in the old/ill it can be way, way worse?



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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Acer
Date: February 10, 2020 06:55PM
I can't find information on who is succumbing, as in is it just the "usual" old/infirm/children etc., But being young is not a guarantee in all pandemics. The Spanish Flu of the early 1900s had a higher than expected mortality rate among young healthy adults, though why is still a matter of conjecture. Here's a paper with a proposed explanation.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: February 10, 2020 07:01PM
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The UnDoug
Who is actually dying from this? Is it just the old and perhaps already not particularly healthy?

I'm genuinely curious, because I don't get the impression that it's young, healthy people dying. Not that I'd want *anyone* to die, but is it really that everyone that gets the virus is at risk of imminent death (which is sort of how I interpret much of the news coverage) or just that if untreated, it can be really bad, and in the old/ill it can be way, way worse?

IIRC, 80% over 60 or had pre-existing health problems, like most other respiratory illnesses.

No "cytokine storms" killing the young as with the 1918 "Spanish" influenza.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: February 10, 2020 07:01PM
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Bernie
BREAKING: Washington Doctors SUCCESSFULLY Treat Coronavirus Patient with Experimental Anti-viral Medication — “Significantly” Improved in Hours (VIDEO)

Washington Coronavirus Patient Is Recovering After Receiving a Trial of an Experimental Antiviral Drug

"Remdesivir is made by the drug company Gilead Sciences. It is not yet licensed or approved but it is being tested as a coronavirus treatment."

Gilead Sciences Offers Experimental Drug for Coronavirus Treatments, Testing

"Unlike some of the other antivirals being examined, Gilead’s drug isn’t approved for use in humans by regulators in the U.S. or internationally. Unapproved drugs are sometimes put into use or in testing in emergencies when health authorities believe the drug could help patients who otherwise lack good treatments."

Wikipedia has already been updated to report the success of the stories. No mention as to why it was not approved.

Because a single case is not even a data point. It's merely an anecdote until it can be tested on more people. That person could be in the minority who don't have severe complications from the treatment. This needs to be tested on many other people before being declared safe and effective. It's likely that something so promising will go to every infected person in this country to get those numbers up.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 10, 2020 07:36PM
The Chinese doctor who tried to blow the whistle (a whistle the Chinese government didn't want blown) and succumbed himself was no geriatric. Since the cases are centered in mainland China it's doubtful there will be any reliable information available, at least not unless it becomes widespread elsewhere.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Bernie
Date: February 10, 2020 08:51PM
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Lew Zealand
Because a single case is not even a data point. It's merely an anecdote until it can be tested on more people. That person could be in the minority who don't have severe complications from the treatment. This needs to be tested on many other people before being declared safe and effective. It's likely that something so promising will go to every infected person in this country to get those numbers up.

agree smiley

Gilead, headquartered in Foster City, California, says it applied for a worldwide patient in 2016, including in China, for use of remdesivir against coronaviruses and is awaiting a decision.

Can't find link to support this but.....
Remdesivir was never approved because to many test animals died.




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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: February 11, 2020 12:13AM
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Bernie
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Lew Zealand
Because a single case is not even a data point. It's merely an anecdote until it can be tested on more people. That person could be in the minority who don't have severe complications from the treatment. This needs to be tested on many other people before being declared safe and effective. It's likely that something so promising will go to every infected person in this country to get those numbers up.

agree smiley

Gilead, headquartered in Foster City, California, says it applied for a worldwide patient in 2016, including in China, for use of remdesivir against coronaviruses and is awaiting a decision.

Can't find link to support this but.....
Remdesivir was never approved because to many test animals died.

Applying for a patent has nothing to do with whether a drug is approved for use outside of trials.
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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 11, 2020 01:17AM
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Bernie
Can't find link to support this but.....
Remdesivir was never approved because to many test animals died.

It was never approved because they were trying to fast-track it for Ebola where it proved to be utterly ineffective. Three other meds were trialed at the same time and they all did better. Two ended up going to the next stage.

It's likely that remdesivir will be ineffective against this one, too. It's never been tested against this type of coronavirus.

Gilead is in panic-mode, trying everything they can to make this drug profitable. This whole push is based on one paper from 2018 that speculated about broad-spectrum applications based on "preliminary evidence" that it might have some effect against a form of hepatitis and MERS which are in the same family as nCoV.



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Re: Corona Virus Level: Forced quarantine of the unwilling in China?
Posted by: Bernie
Date: February 11, 2020 06:14AM
As the internet spreads the success of the treatment it is getting harder and harder to read about the "Shortcomings" of Remdesivir.




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