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Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 07, 2020 11:17PM
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Do you cross your 7's?
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59 votes were received.
No, what? Why? Why would you? 28
 
47%
Hell yeah! My 7's are badass! 31
 
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 07, 2020 11:30PM
....or cross....legs [ a la 'Basic Instinct' ]....???



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 07, 2020 11:43PM
No. Is that a military thing or a European thing?
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: TheCaber
Date: March 07, 2020 11:44PM
Cross '7's to distinguish them from '1's.

Cross 'z's to distinguish from '2's.

Slash '0's to distinguish from 'O's.
Some typefaces have a centered dot in the zero.

It is not an affectation, but a real disambiguation requirement.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 07, 2020 11:51PM
No.




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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Carm
Date: March 07, 2020 11:52PM
My mom did that, she was taught in Mexico.
But it makes sense as TheCaber mentions.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 08, 2020 12:08AM
.....once you cross.....that line....



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 08, 2020 12:22AM
yes but not all the time.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: March 08, 2020 04:15AM
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TheCaber
Cross '7's to distinguish them from '1's.

Cross 'z's to distinguish from '2's.

Slash '0's to distinguish from 'O's.
Some typefaces have a centered dot in the zero.

It is not an affectation, but a real disambiguation requirement.

Learned that in the Army. It was the norm for folks in MI & SigInt and everyone
spoke phonetic; Foxtrot-Tango-Alpha & time was always 24hr Zulu; it's now zero 916, etc.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Bernie
Date: March 08, 2020 04:25AM
I so do the zeros.

Lots of passwords and people.

I so do the zeros.




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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: March 08, 2020 04:55AM
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TheCaber
Cross '7's to distinguish them from '1's.

Cross 'z's to distinguish from '2's.

Slash '0's to distinguish from 'O's.
Some typefaces have a centered dot in the zero.

It is not an affectation, but a real disambiguation requirement.

No on the '7's, yes on the 'Z's, no on the '0's. If I had to regularly write down mixes of numbers and letters, I would no doubt follow your protocol fully.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 08, 2020 06:21AM
or a European thing?


I grew up knowing this as a 'European' convention.

Many people I've known that use that seven also write the number 1 without a lower serif, as most of us probably do, but with an extended upper serif at a downward angle which was supposed to further differentiate it from the number 7.

Before individual computers became a thing, CA DMV employees hand wrote a lot of temporary document that included VINs and CDL (yeah- deal with it) numbers and had a specific numerology they were required do use to avoid someone later altering the document.

I've never used any of that. The old Palmer method for numbers was good enough for me. My cursive sucks by my printing is good.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: mstudio
Date: March 08, 2020 07:42AM
I don’t do 7s or 0s but I always do Zs.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: CJsNvrUrly
Date: March 08, 2020 09:00AM
Quote
TheCaber
Cross '7's to distinguish them from '1's.
Cross 'z's to distinguish from '2's.
Slash '0's to distinguish from 'O's.
Some typefaces have a centered dot in the zero.
It is not an affectation, but a real disambiguation requirement.

You cross 7's and 0's but...zzz's instead of 2's???? Where's the consistency? I can't remember to switch it up like that!




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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 08, 2020 09:56AM
....crossing my fingers that not many people do.....



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: March 08, 2020 10:02AM
I'm surprised at the results so far. I'd like to see how you all write a 1 that makes it look like a 7. I'm also curious if you have a hard time distinguish between the two when typed.




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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 08, 2020 10:18AM
Only do a slash on the zeros to distinguish from the Oh's. Never need to do that for the Z's or 7's as my handwriting was good enough for there not to be any confusion on those.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: March 08, 2020 10:22AM
I learned to do this in college. Doing page after page of calculations only to realize that I’d confused a 5 with an S three pages ago taught me to cross 0,S,7,Z



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: pdq
Date: March 08, 2020 10:36AM
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M A V I C
I'm surprised at the results so far. I'd like to see how you all write a 1 that makes it look like a 7.

(Many) Europeans do make a big diagonal slash from the top of their ones, like so:



...and when it’s handwriting, without a solid baseline, I could totally see how the second “one” above could be confused with seven. Unfortunately and ironically (I think) the seven-with-a-slash then gets awfully close sometimes to the triangle 4 (first one below):



I’s and 0’s people! Why complicate matters?
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 08, 2020 10:45AM
I had a German Intern who designed a prt for me. I told him to go to the machine shop and get it made
he put the drawing in there and wrote Qty; 1, but the way he wrote the one, could be understood like a 7 by someone in US. So our machinist saw "7" and said screw that, it's too many parts, I am too busy, I will send this out for quotation. It came back at $300 each so he ordered it. A week later I get 7 parts on my desk. I ask the intern WTF? he goes to the machinist to clarify. That both come back and the machinist was holding the $2100 invoice in his hand which I had to approve.

When I was a teaching assistant, I wrote 4, US students asked me what figure was that.

Another big source of confusion is time. Many european people think PM starts at 1:00PM

So if they want a meeting after lunch, they say 12:30 AM. I had the notification pop up on my phone in the middle of the night.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: space-time
Date: March 08, 2020 10:46AM
So it depends who I write for. If I write for someone in US or someone one from Europe, I do change the way I write figures.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: March 08, 2020 10:53AM
No, I wasn't taught to. I didn't really notice it was done another way until I was in my teens.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: archipirata
Date: March 08, 2020 10:54AM
Not 7s.

But I do cross Zs and sometimes zeros depending on the context.



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 08, 2020 10:55AM
Depends on the situation. I definitely slash my zeroes because it’s how I was trained in programming classes in the early 70’s. I sometimes cross my 7’s. I never learned to cross my z’s unless I’m doing calligraphy and the style demands it.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 08, 2020 11:17AM
.....so do y'all.....cross your t's and dot your i's......?????



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: neophyte
Date: March 08, 2020 12:00PM
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pdq

I’s and 0’s people! Why complicate matters?

Eyes and Ohhs people!
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Diana
Date: March 08, 2020 12:14PM
Cross an ell (l)? Doesn’t that look like a tee (t)? Personally I put a base and a slanted cap on the one, cross the z because they look like a 2 with my sloppy handwriting, and I tend to cross the 7 (again because of my handwriting). The zero may or may not be crossed, as I cross it only to make communication clearer on a case-by-case basis. All done to facilitate understanding of course.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Buzz
Date: March 08, 2020 01:31PM
LaCabre FTW, excellent 'splanation, especially for peeps with bad handwriting. For those of y'all w/ Mrs. Palmer's perfect penmanship, skimping on some of those adjustments seems reasonable.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: hal
Date: March 08, 2020 02:10PM
back in the day that I did a lot of math, I would cross my 7s - having bad hand writing, I quickly learned that math and sci teachers had little patience for unclear writing. To this day, my handwriting is a mess until I start writing numbers - they are perfectly clear.

In regular writing is just isn't necessary imo.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: March 08, 2020 07:05PM
Yes. I have a doctor’s handwriting without the paycheck (or malpractice insurance premiums). Any disambiguation is welcome.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 08, 2020 08:51PM
.....Doctor......Kildare.....???



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: March 08, 2020 09:24PM
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pdq

(Many) Europeans do make a big diagonal slash from the top of their ones, like so:



The clear difference is the core of the number is perfectly vertical. If there's a ~70° angle on it, it's a 7.

I lived in Europe. The common mistake I saw them continually make was not paying attention to the vertical line.




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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: March 08, 2020 09:25PM
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: March 09, 2020 12:51AM



Figure 3 (from the left, as I always count from left to right) is what I saw those you used European Style use for numeral 1.

I couldn't find an example that, so good on ya, pdq.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: March 09, 2020 05:22PM
I cross my sevens. Somebody once saw one and remarked that I do French sevens.

There is another ambiguity that doesn't seem to have been mentioned here. When writing digits on items that could be read in different orientations, there is an ambiguity between 6 and 9. I therefore put a horizontal line beneath the digit, particularly when writing on test tubes and such. Think about writing a 6 or a 9 diagonally on a box or a sphere.
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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 09, 2020 06:42PM
....follow up question........do you wear a cross.....your heart bra........???



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Re: Do you cross your 7's?
Posted by: fauch
Date: March 12, 2020 07:25PM
No, it is a communist plot...
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