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question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: davemchine
Date: March 09, 2020 07:29PM
I just upgraded my drivers license for future travel requirements and they sent me a little foil envelope to keep it in. Is that really necessary?
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: testcase
Date: March 09, 2020 07:34PM
Many new forms of official ID contain an RFID chip. I understand that said chips can be read (harvested) by someone nearby who has the proper scanner / reader on his (her) person. Those “special envelopes” are supposed to prevent walk by scanning. I ALWAYS used protective sleeves on any “chipped” item. I bought extra sleeves on Amazon for my chipped credit cards.
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: Janit
Date: March 09, 2020 07:45PM
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testcase
Many new forms of official ID contain an RFID chip. I understand that said chips can be read (harvested) by someone nearby who has the proper scanner / reader on his (her) person. Those “special envelopes” are supposed to prevent walk by scanning. I ALWAYS used protective sleeves on any “chipped” item. I bought extra sleeves on Amazon for my chipped credit cards.

Which ones do you buy, and how do you know they work?
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: jdc
Date: March 09, 2020 07:47PM
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testcase
Many new forms of official ID contain an RFID chip. I understand that said chips can be read (harvested) by someone nearby who has the proper scanner / reader on his (her) person. Those “special envelopes” are supposed to prevent walk by scanning. I ALWAYS used protective sleeves on any “chipped” item. I bought extra sleeves on Amazon for my chipped credit cards.

Another reason I wish everyone took apple pay... no more credit cards... =)



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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 09, 2020 07:54PM
.....if you don't use it.....foiled....again....



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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 09, 2020 08:56PM
I skipped the enhancement and will use my passport which has no chip.



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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: testcase
Date: March 09, 2020 09:07PM
Here ya go:


[www.amazon.com]
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: davester
Date: March 10, 2020 12:10AM
I think you're supposed to take that foil envelope, unfold its and use it as a hat.



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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 10, 2020 02:12AM
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Speedy
I skipped the enhancement and will use my passport which has no chip.

They added RFID chips to passports years ago, any non-chipped ones would have expired and would have been renewed since then.

Of course I might have missed a story about passports no longer having the chips, but would have expected it to have been publicized enough to not have missed it.
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 10, 2020 02:28AM
The passport RFID chip security was hacked in less than a day of the first passports hitting the streets.
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: JoeH
Date: March 10, 2020 09:51AM
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The passport RFID chip security was hacked in less than a day of the first passports hitting the streets.

I don't know if they have changed it, but when first released the RFID passports had no encryption at all. So there was no security to hack.

I do know that other cards and devices were adding RFID chips around that time. A few engineering grad students here took some off the shelf equipment and tested to see how far away the chips could be read. With a setup that could fit in a small case, they were able to read RFID chips from 30 or more feet.
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: March 10, 2020 10:36AM
I have yet to see a reasonable explanation of what nefarious things someone can do having scanned my passport, or drivers license, RFID chip.

I don't really worry about it.



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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 10, 2020 09:37PM
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Speedy
I skipped the enhancement and will use my passport which has no chip.

And, once again, I’m wrong.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: question about upgraded drivers license
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 11, 2020 09:55AM
.....license....to...thrill.....???



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