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The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: April 27, 2020 08:25PM
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Do you use the Oxford Comma?




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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 27, 2020 08:30PM
I use it whenever it adds any clarity. But I'm not dogmatic; I don't use it when it won't add any clarity at all, then it gets in the way.

1. The pet shop had birds, dogs and cats.
2. The pet shop had birds, dogs, [INHALE] and cats.

The comma adds nothing in version 2. There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat, it just breaks up the thought unnecessarily.

I would use it in the OP's list of tasty treats because there are two realistic options, which can be distinguished by the comma.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2020 08:33PM by Acer.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 27, 2020 08:31PM
....comma....chameleon [ you come and go ]......???



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: April 27, 2020 08:36PM
Even I, product of the Birmingham City School system, rube extraordinaire, and serial user of terms such as "ain't", "gonna", "y'all", and "nuh-uh" in polite everyday conversation, engage in the proper use of the Oxford Comma.

Mister pRICE cUBE, you are correct in your assertion. Motion seconded.



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 27, 2020 08:43PM
At the bar, I saw two lesbians, Merle Haggard and Henry Kissinger.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: April 27, 2020 08:52PM
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Dennis S
At the bar, I saw two lesbians, Merle Haggard and Henry Kissinger.

There's an image in my head I could have done without.



Lie to me if you must, but don't lie to me and insult my intelligence in the same sentence.

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"Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime" - Steve Hughes

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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: April 27, 2020 09:06PM
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Acer
There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat

From Wikipedia:
“Dog and Cat is an American television series that aired on ABC on Saturday night at 10:00 p.m Eastern time in 1977.”

Oxford Comma rules!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2020 09:07PM by S. Pupp.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Yoyodyne ArtWorks
Date: April 27, 2020 09:17PM
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Acer
I use it whenever it adds any clarity. But I'm not dogmatic; I don't use it when it won't add any clarity at all, then it gets in the way.

1. The pet shop had birds, dogs and cats.
2. The pet shop had birds, dogs, [INHALE] and cats.

The comma adds nothing in version 2. There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat, it just breaks up the thought unnecessarily.

I would use it in the OP's list of tasty treats because there are two realistic options, which can be distinguished by the comma.

Bingo, we have a winner!



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: April 27, 2020 09:29PM
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S. Pupp
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Acer
There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat

From Wikipedia:
“Dog and Cat is an American television series that aired on ABC on Saturday night at 10:00 p.m Eastern time in 1977.”

Oxford Comma rules!

Not to be confused with "Cat Dog"- [www.youtube.com]



Lie to me if you must, but don't lie to me and insult my intelligence in the same sentence.

Resist the Thought Police: George Orwell's book 1984 was meant as a warning, not an instruction manual.

"Political correctness is just intellectual colonialism and psychological fascism for the creation of thought crime" - Steve Hughes

"I don't see color, I just see ugly" - Joe Jitsukawa
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 27, 2020 09:33PM
it just breaks up the thought unnecessarily.


I disagree.

IF it does, then one reads too slow, or is pedantic, unnecessarily.

Commas are cheap; I use them a lot, sometimes unnecessarily.



Oxford Comma rules!

I agree, though I use commas while abiding Oxford rules, I also use them outside of the rules.

They're cheap.




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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: PeterB
Date: April 27, 2020 09:41PM
Great Oxford comma fails: [www.theodysseyonline.com]




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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: April 27, 2020 09:41PM
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Yoyodyne ArtWorks
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Acer
I use it whenever it adds any clarity. But I'm not dogmatic; I don't use it when it won't add any clarity at all, then it gets in the way.

1. The pet shop had birds, dogs and cats.
2. The pet shop had birds, dogs, [INHALE] and cats.

The comma adds nothing in version 2. There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat, it just breaks up the thought unnecessarily.

I would use it in the OP's list of tasty treats because there are two realistic options, which can be distinguished by the comma.

Bingo, we have a winner!

Totally agree. Unnecessary words or punctuation are to be avoided. But I was rather infatuated with AP style.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Dennis R
Date: April 27, 2020 09:50PM
And don’t forget the big lawsuit because of it:

[qz.com]



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: April 27, 2020 11:33PM
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Acer
I use it whenever it adds any clarity. But I'm not dogmatic; I don't use it when it won't add any clarity at all, then it gets in the way.

1. The pet shop had birds, dogs and cats.
2. The pet shop had birds, dogs, [INHALE] and cats.

The comma adds nothing in version 2. There is no such thing as a dog-and-cat, it just breaks up the thought unnecessarily.

I would use it in the OP's list of tasty treats because there are two realistic options, which can be distinguished by the comma.

agree smiley

It can't be black and white. Sometimes you need it and sometimes you don't need it.



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 28, 2020 12:14AM
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Thrift Store Scott
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Dennis S
At the bar, I saw two lesbians, Merle Haggard and Henry Kissinger.

There's an image in my head I could have done without.

Not to mention the first comma in that sentence isn't necessary.



It is what it is.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 28, 2020 12:46AM
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Markintosh
It can't be black and white.

But can it be black, and white?



It is what it is.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Markintosh
Date: April 28, 2020 08:28AM
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N-OS X-tasy!
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Markintosh
It can't be black and white.

But can it be black, and white?



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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: April 28, 2020 10:14AM
Sister Evangeline would have had a heart attack; death to the comma and it's pretentious name. Let's hear it for the misuse of semi-colons!
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Mike Sellers
Date: April 28, 2020 10:25AM
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Acer
I use it whenever it adds any clarity. But I'm not dogmatic; I don't use it when it won't add any clarity at all, then it gets in the way.

Yep. Brevity is not only the soul of wit.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: April 28, 2020 10:30AM
Not to mention the first comma in that sentence isn't necessary.


That's a matter of perspective.

A comma, besides separating groups or associations of words, also establishes cadence or rythym of speech, lending a 'spoken' quality to the written word.

I'd posit the majority of people don't talk the way they write though a lot of forums wouldn't seem to support that.

Punctuation isn't always about clarity.

It can do much more, though it should never get in the way of clarity unless perhaps it's for a very specific goal.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: SteveO
Date: April 28, 2020 01:01PM
Journalism grad, copywriter, author and screenwriter here; I only use it in a very long series...meaning more than four items, usually. Or for clarity in the OP. Too many commas slow down the eye. BOOOOO Oxford comma!
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 28, 2020 02:09PM
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RAMd®d
A comma, besides separating groups or associations of words, also establishes cadence or rythym of speech, lending a 'spoken' quality to the written word.

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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: April 28, 2020 02:19PM
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SteveO
Journalism grad, copywriter, author and screenwriter here; I only use it in a very long series...meaning more than four items, usually. Or for clarity in the OP. Too many commas slow down the eye. BOOOOO Oxford comma!

Yes!
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: April 28, 2020 05:08PM
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RAMd®d
Not to mention the first comma in that sentence isn't necessary.


That's a matter of perspective.

A comma, besides separating groups or associations of words, also establishes cadence or rythym of speech, lending a 'spoken' quality to the written word.

I'd posit the majority of people don't talk the way they write though a lot of forums wouldn't seem to support that.

Punctuation isn't always about clarity.

It can do much more, though it should never get in the way of clarity unless perhaps it's for a very specific goal.

I agree with pretty much everything you said -- in my writing I use commas in that fashion all the time. I maintain, however, that the comma wasn't NECESSARY.

In fact, reading the sentence again I think it creates TOO many pauses in that particular sentence.



It is what it is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2020 05:08PM by N-OS X-tasy!.
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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: PeterB
Date: April 29, 2020 02:40PM
From the link I posted:






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Re: The Oxford Comma is the right way. I have spoken.
Posted by: dk62
Date: April 30, 2020 08:34AM
Some manuals of style require it (like AMA). I use it for scientific writing, but not consistently for lay correspondence.
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