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Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 03, 2020 01:58PM
The times I've heard the words, it usually does, but I don't know if it always does. Are there other other words like this?
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 03, 2020 02:05PM
....exsanguination..........



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 03, 2020 02:07PM
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: May 03, 2020 02:08PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.

Ditto.
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: May 03, 2020 02:13PM
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....exsanguination..........

Yeah, pretty tough to come back from that one. ^

Drowning and electrocution, though, the trick in both cases is to get them breathing and conscious again as soon as possible. With drowning that'll involve getting the water out of their lungs. With electrocution that could involve establishing a regular heartbeat again.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 03, 2020 02:16PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.

There are also those cases where a drowned person is successfully revived once their body is recovered.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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People who have drowned who arrive at a hospital with spontaneous circulation and breathing usually recover with good outcomes.[54] Early provision of basic and advanced life support improve probability of positive outcome.[50]

Longer duration of submersion is associated with lower probability of survival and higher probability of permanent neurological damage.[54]
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 03, 2020 02:18PM
In this hypothetical, is the victim Rasputin?



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 03, 2020 02:20PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.

Ditto.

In the original usage, electrocuted meant you suffered an electric sufficient to kill you. The usage has broadened lately to include being severely injured, but a normal or strong electric shock would not be considered "electrocuted".
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: May 03, 2020 02:28PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.

Ditto.

In the original usage, electrocuted meant you suffered an electric sufficient to kill you. The usage has broadened lately to include being severely injured, but a normal or strong electric shock would not be considered "electrocuted".

OK. Makes sense.

I was shocked enough to throw me back several feet and unable to get up for a minute or so, but no burns or lasting damage. I guess this would count as “shocked” rather than electrocuted.

I knew someone who lost his arm and spent time in intensive care after making contact with an overhead high voltage line. He could be described as electrocuted
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: hal
Date: May 03, 2020 02:32PM
The dictionary is pretty clear.

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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 03, 2020 02:44PM
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hal
The dictionary is pretty clear.


Whose dictionary? and when published?
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: vision63
Date: May 03, 2020 02:56PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.

Tougher than leather you are.
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 03, 2020 04:30PM
I used to think electrocuted meant dead. Then learned otherwise. Yeah, like every other sparky, I’ve been electrocuted. Several times. Probably should have died.

Drowned ? Yeah, that happened to me when I was knocked unconscious swimming down a waterfall in Canada. I survived because I floated face up. Behind the falls. And when I swam out I discovered the camp counselors searching the river for my body.

“What are we looking for ?”

“Cbelt3. We think he’s dead.”

“Uh.. that’s me ?”
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: fauch
Date: May 03, 2020 04:44PM
I always thought so until recently, but technically no. But drowned still almost always means they died, electrocuted less so but still usually...
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: hal
Date: May 03, 2020 05:22PM
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JoeH
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hal
The dictionary is pretty clear.


Whose dictionary? and when published?

That was copied from the dictionary built into mac os 10.14
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: May 03, 2020 05:26PM
The AP Stylebook (the bible of journalism) specifies that drowned can only be used when the victim dies by suffocation in a liquid. Anything less can at best be called a near-drowning. the difference is the tense (-ed vs -ing). A living person can do something, a dead person cannot.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 03, 2020 06:17PM
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no


Agreed.

I think most people believe electrocuted means death by electricity/electrocution.

With no formal reference, I say electrocution mean LOC and/or burns from electricity, which may or may not end in deaty.

A lighting strike would fit that description, but I don't recall reading or hearing electrocution used in the various stories when somebody survives.

I usually read or hear 'man struck by lightning...' as the headling, lede, or sound bite, in that case.




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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: May 03, 2020 06:32PM
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Grateful11
I say drowned yes but electrocuted no, I've been electrocuted and didn't die.
agree smiley

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There are also those cases where a drowned person is successfully revived once their body is recovered.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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People who have drowned who arrive at a hospital with spontaneous circulation and breathing usually recover with good outcomes.[54] Early provision of basic and advanced life support improve probability of positive outcome.[50]

Longer duration of submersion is associated with lower probability of survival and higher probability of permanent neurological damage.[54]

Catch 22: If 'revivable' then the subject did not drown, they nearly drowned.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: May 03, 2020 07:38PM
there is a saying about drowning. They aren't dead until they are warm and dead. If it's cold enough, they can be warmed and resuscitated. Brain damage from oxygen starvation is always an issue.

A friend's dad went into the water here in Seattle during the winter. He was a dock worker. They fished him out after about 35 minutes. His core temp was around 80F. They got him warmed up, restarted his heart, and he lived. However, he wasn't "right" ever again, and went on disability. Bouts of anger and fuzzy memory about lots of things.

And getting an electric shock that stops your heart is pretty common. Getting it restarted is also pretty common. Its the ugly electrocutions that char flesh that can cause the real damage.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: May 03, 2020 08:01PM
You're not dead until you've been Westinghoused.



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 03, 2020 10:34PM
....no one dies [ usually ] when drowning ones sorrows......



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 04, 2020 07:59AM
'Your not dead until the ME pronounces.'

A running joke with my girlfriend and I.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

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by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: dk62
Date: May 04, 2020 10:43AM
Decapitation is also usually fairly fatal.
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 04, 2020 11:01AM
....especially for a.....Highlander....



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: GGD
Date: May 04, 2020 11:52AM
Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?

Haven't heard of many cases where someone drowned and was electrocuted, but I think that combination would reduce the chances of survival, unless the electric shock somehow revives one from the drowning.
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 04, 2020 12:04PM
.....if one dies from supernatural causes....and has a Gilbert Ring......



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: May 04, 2020 01:38PM
.....what about.....'killing me softly....with his song'......???



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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: May 04, 2020 02:24PM
In Arkansas, you don't say, "He drowned." It's "He drownded."
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Re: Does "drowned" and "electrocuted" always mean the person dies?
Posted by: Thrift Store Scott
Date: May 05, 2020 03:27AM
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In Arkansas, you don't say, "He drowned." It's "He drownded."

That's right up there with listing cause of death on a death certificate as "Failure to Thrive".



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