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Uninstalling
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 17, 2020 04:53PM
AppCleaner and Cleaner-App are probably great and free versions are wonderful. BUT neither free version will allow me to delete or uninstall anything. I select a program, tell it to delete, and a window pops up advising me to get the pro version.

Free version seems useless…

I'd guess operator error.

Will the free versions actually allow deletions/uninstalls?
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Carm
Date: May 17, 2020 05:02PM
What happened to dragging the app to the trash? Or doing a search for app and it’s files?
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 17, 2020 05:11PM
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clyde
AppCleaner and Cleaner-App are...

Exploitative.

Selling ice to Eskimos.

You don't need it. You don't need to pay for it.

...Also, most "cleaner" apps are malware.







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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Carm
Date: May 17, 2020 05:17PM
The only “cleaner app” I have used is Onyx
[www.titanium-software.fr]

But Doc is right, they are crap.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 17, 2020 05:18PM
OK, should I drag the app to the trash, then search for anything with a related name and trash that?

The related or similar name is where I might trash the wrong file(s)…
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: hal
Date: May 17, 2020 05:21PM
I just used App Cleaner v3.5 that I installed in 2018 and it did what I asked - no notes to upgrade
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Carm
Date: May 17, 2020 05:27PM
You should only have to search for rogue files if they are malware related.
A dump in the trash and empty of the trash should get rid of the app. You can go search in the invisible folders if you want, but there is no need to.
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: clyde
Date: May 17, 2020 05:31PM
I don't doubt you, Hal, but App cleaner 6.10 won't delete; it tries to sell the Pro version. Unless i'm making a mistake somewhere…

Onyx has appeal, but the clicking Contact button produces no action. The Onyx being offered is for OS10.15; I have 10.14. There may be a version for 10.14, but who knows?
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 17, 2020 05:38PM
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clyde
OK, should I drag the app to the trash, then search for anything with a related name and trash that?

No. Just drag the app to the trash.

Apps rarely install launch agents and daemons and extensions and put stuff in the /etc/bin or /var folders and when they do, those cleaner apps inevitably fail to get rid of that stuff. You will still need the official uninstaller to remove them.

As a rule, cleaner apps only clean up preference files and maybe some app-caches or the contents of an Application Support folder. Some of them proudly declare that they get rid of widgets and plugins, too. That stuff is almost always harmless and takes up very little space on your drive.

Unless you're critically short on disk space, there's no special reason to hunt down old caches and pref files. And if you're critically short on space then trashing caches and pref files is probably not going to free enough capacity to make it worth bothering yourself about.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 17, 2020 05:40PM
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clyde
Onyx has appeal, but the clicking Contact button produces no action. The Onyx being offered is for OS10.15; I have 10.14. There may be a version for 10.14, but who knows?

Onyx is available for every version of the mac OS since 10.2.

Please do not use it.

It's a powerful tool and if you don't know exactly what you're doing with it, you could hose your OS.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: PeterW
Date: May 17, 2020 05:47PM
There is no AppCleaner 6.1 and there is no pro version of it. It is free and the latest version is 3.5. What are you actually using?
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Carm
Date: May 17, 2020 05:57PM
Apple has made Mac OS X stupidly easy to use. Delete those apps by trashing them and empty the trash.
Don’t use Onyx, you don’t need it either.
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: jdc
Date: May 17, 2020 06:24PM
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Carm
Apple has made Mac OS X stupidly easy to use. Delete those apps by trashing them and empty the trash.
Don’t use Onyx, you don’t need it either.

I’m just gonna pile on This ^^^. smiley-score010



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: hal
Date: May 17, 2020 06:25PM
Every app that I've thrown onto AppCleaner has found 3-6 other files to trash along with the app.
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Fritz
Date: May 17, 2020 06:31PM
dunno.
I use AppCleanr 3.4. Been no issue and dumps folders and files that I'd otherwise have to search for.
Onyx too has helped a couple times.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: jdc
Date: May 17, 2020 06:32PM
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hal
Every app that I've thrown onto AppCleaner has found 3-6 other files to trash along with the app.

That’s a true statement. However like Sarc stated — unless you are drastically low on drivE space they could just stay on your Mac. They aren’t doing anything except taking up a few megs of space.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 17, 2020 06:56PM
What happened to dragging the app to the trash? Or doing a search for app and it’s files?


Unfortunately, nothing like what happened to manual spark advance, manual choke, crank start, DOS, command line only UI, and god knows what else. One reason why OnyX exists.

Some of the bits are hidden in a library that is hidden from the average user. One needs a bit of an education on where to look and what to look for, what's can go and what's a digital landmine.

I once used OnyX, but somewhere along the line a version of it warned not to use it on SDDs. As I have a few of those, two of them being integral to my Macs, I haven't bothered with it for the most part. I have no idea if that affects the SSD portion of a fusion drive, so I won't use it on that Mac either, until I know more.

A lot of users talk about doing a clean install/nuke and pave to 'get rid of the cruft' accumulated over previous OS installs.

That cruft is, among other things, all the stuff left over from just tossing the app in the trash and leaving all the other bits in the OS. And while harmless (assuming the app wasn't malicious in anyway in the first place) cruft is cruft.



I select a program, tell it to delete, and a window pops up advising me to get the pro version.


It may be that your verision had a trial number of cleans or a time limit for the free period. You might want to check their site for clarification.

I used a free or cheap version of AppZapper that I got from MacZot years ago and it did a fine job of removing most if not all bit of an app with one click. Then somewhere along the line it got pricey and or they didn't offer an upgrade price and I dropped it.

As mentioned, it and the other apps generally remove the app, preferences, (maybe) anything in Application Support, and cache files, usually in one click. I have no idea of there are additional files that were part of the install that could go too.

Years ago, the Russkies tried to take over the free world by offering MacKeeper and it apparently was a pain to remove. People tossed the app and continued to get popups because of something left behind.

It is well documented that it was hodge podge of apps laughingly called a suite and a rea PITA to remove. My only contact with it was at a couple of MWSFs where they had dancers hawing the app. Many looked like what I think young (but legal!) pornstars would look like.



There may be a version for 10.14, but who knows?


I do.

You could go to [titanium-software.fr] and scroll down to Older Versions to 3.6.8.

I uses it only to rebuild Launch Services and empty trash on all connected volumes.

There is a real possibility of deleting something an app or your system needs to function, without realizing you done so. At first.

If you hunt around the 'net, you might find someone or something that could educate you about what to toss, what to keep, and what not to touch.

Or end up with the doctor who said 'It hurts when you do that? Don't do that.'

Understanding an OS is a lot like learning tennis.

Several people in a group of friends play tennis. Another member of the group wants to join the activities. 'Hey, I wanna learn how to play!'

Suddenly the friends are nowhere to be found.

Good luck with your edu, clyde.




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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: May 17, 2020 09:19PM
AppCleaner v 3.4 works great on both Mojave and Catalina. It's never asked me to upgrade.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Racer X
Date: May 18, 2020 04:37AM
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clyde
I don't doubt you, Hal, but App cleaner 6.10 won't delete; it tries to sell the Pro version. Unless i'm making a mistake somewhere…

Onyx has appeal, but the clicking Contact button produces no action. The Onyx being offered is for OS10.15; I have 10.14. There may be a version for 10.14, but who knows?

there are. On the Onyx website they have the appropriate version for each version of the OS. I was just getting Onyx for 10.11 just last night.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: May 18, 2020 09:22AM
The current version of AppCleaner is 3.5, it's free, and it's available directly from the developer's website.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: May 18, 2020 09:35AM
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The current version of AppCleaner is 3.5, it's free, and it's available directly from the developer's website.

Clyde may have downloaded it originally from one of the @#$%& sites that usurp awesome free applications like Onyx, AppCleaner and others, and try to charge for them and install malware and other pay apps. The really tricky part is that many of these buttwipe sites used to be valid Mac-centric sites. Ones to stay away from now include:

• iMore
• Macupdate (ugh, the worst)
• techspot
• macpaw
• Cnet
• MacFlyPro
• CultOfMac used to be great, but now advertises MacKeeper, so I'd stay clear of them.

Lots more, but these are the ones that have wormed their way into great SEO positions when doing searches.



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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: May 18, 2020 02:52PM
I'm surprised to see iMore on that list, but maybe shenanigans like that are why Rene Ritchie left.

9to5Mac might qualify because they advertise Clean My Mac, an app falling under the large blanket of 'useless', 'malware' etc.

Like dominoes they fall.

Verisiontracker, Macupdate, c|net...

I steer clear of all those, and download only from Softonic.




When a good man is hurt,
all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Uninstalling
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: May 18, 2020 07:53PM
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RAMd®d
9to5Mac might qualify because they advertise Clean My Mac, an app falling under the large blanket of 'useless', 'malware' etc...

Overwhelmingly positive reviews smothering the first three pages of a Google search result are a dead-giveaway that you've found malware.



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