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‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: btfc
Date: June 08, 2020 09:03PM
“ Cox Communications is lowering Internet upload speeds in entire neighborhoods to stop what it considers "excessive usage," in a decision that punishes both heavy Internet users and their neighbors.

Cox, a cable company with about 5.2 million broadband customers in the United States, has been sending notices to some heavy Internet users warning them to use less data and notifying them of neighborhood-wide speed decreases. In the case we will describe in this article, a gigabit customer who was paying $50 extra per month for unlimited data was flagged by Cox because he was using 8TB to 12TB a month.

Cox responded by lowering the upload speeds on the gigabit-download plan from 35Mbps to 10Mbps for the customer's whole neighborhood. Cox confirmed to Ars that it has imposed neighborhood-wide slowdowns in multiple neighborhoods in cases like this one but didn't say how many excessive users are enough to trigger a speed decrease.”

[arstechnica.com]
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 08, 2020 09:05PM
......that sucks.....Cox......??



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 08, 2020 09:07PM
Cable companies, like cell providers, are evil. And what will the FCC do about it?



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 08, 2020 09:19PM
Verizon apparently dug up my front terrace to install fiber. Neighbors are complaining about the disruption to their landscaping but it will prevent this sort of bs.

Still waiting for signup offers to arrive in the mail.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/2020 09:19PM by mattkime.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: fmgtech
Date: June 08, 2020 09:35PM
Well we have Verizon wireless here in OKC, but no FIOS. I wonder why.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 08, 2020 09:49PM
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fmgtech
Well we have Verizon wireless here in OKC, but no FIOS. I wonder why.

It’s a mystery.

[arstechnica.com]

“But Comcast isn't the only major ISP cutting investment, as AT&T projects that it will reduce capital spending from $23 billion in 2019 to $20 billion in 2020. Charter Communications said in October that its capital expenditures excluding mobile services would total $7 billion in 2019, down from $8.9 billion in 2018. Verizon reported a small increase in capital expenditures in the first nine months of 2019.”



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Diana
Date: June 08, 2020 09:53PM
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fmgtech
Well we have Verizon wireless here in OKC, but no FIOS. I wonder why.

fmgtech,

OEC (Oklahoma Electric Co-op) has fiber in select areas. You may want to check into it. I know it’s in Norman but I don’t know how much it extends northward. I dumped Cox as soon as I could when they activated my area. Data slowdowns, difficulty keeping connected, constant price increases... I get twice the speeds as before for only a few dollars more, and the price they quote is all-in, no taxes and fees and crap added after the fact. Yeah, I might be somewhat ... unimpressed ... with Cox. No more nightly reboots. What’s not to like?

Diana
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 08, 2020 10:08PM
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fmgtech
Well we have Verizon wireless here in OKC, but no FIOS. I wonder why.

Wireless is everywhere but FiOS needs to be run to your door. Hell, in nyc its run basically everywhere but they don't necessarily bother connecting it to homes in most places.

I think the capitol outlay can be difficult to justify, particularly if there are more lucrative investment options. Also, they don't say ANYTHING until they're ready to sign up customers. Why? Otherwise their competition will price them out of the neighborhood.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: PeterB
Date: June 08, 2020 10:14PM
Cox is the company that has a near-monopoly in my part of town (and why I can't get, and likely will never be able to get, AT&T fiber). They are literally cöcks.

Edit -- as evidence of their stupidity: when I first moved into an apartment here in the city, and contacted them to get service at the new address, they denied me service on the basis that the previous tenant of the apartment (who probably departed because of Katrina and definitely wasn't coming back) had a large unpaid bill. They wouldn't provide me service without paying the unpaid bill (!). I said, "fine, I don't need your damned service anyway!" and let it be. You'd think that'd be the end of it -- it would have been, for any other sane company. But not these fools. For the next 7-8 years or so, they continuously spammed me with their stupid flyers for their crappy service. It took my writing a nasty paper letter, registered USPS, to their corporate headquarters, in order for them to permanently remove me and my address from their mailing list.




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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/2020 10:42PM by PeterB.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: deckeda
Date: June 08, 2020 10:23PM
Monopolies or duopolies have little incentive to invest to provide greater service. By definition, their business is assured without it.

Your taxes at work: these arrangements are all government-approved.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 08, 2020 10:53PM
8-12 TB per month?


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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: sekker
Date: June 09, 2020 12:01AM
Our internet at home this past week has been TERRIBLE, once the official 'stay at home' ruling has passed.

Coincidence? I do not think so. There is a local fiber company doing their best to give us options, I feel like the cable company has decided to end support for locals to milk all they can since they know they are about to lose half or more of the market.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: GGD
Date: June 09, 2020 01:47AM
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PeterB
For the next 7-8 years or so, they continuously spammed me with their stupid flyers for their crappy service. It took my writing a nasty paper letter, registered USPS, to their corporate headquarters, in order for them to permanently remove me and my address from their mailing list.

You could have tried filing a USPS Form 1500, you just needed to admit that you find mail from "COX" to be "arousing".

if you are the addressee of an advertisement, and consider the matter (product or service) that it offers for sale to be "erotically arousing or sexually provocative,"

[about.usps.com]

extended by case law to allow the recipient to declare any mailpiece obscene, for any reason whatsoever, with no requirement to state the reason(s) for taking offense

The only absolute requirement is that it must be possible to construe the mailpiece as an offer to sell goods or services. Various rulings have upheld the Supreme Court decision that the postal customer's discretion is not subject to review.

[en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 09, 2020 06:31AM
Here is hoping Starlink lives up to its promise.



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: stephen
Date: June 09, 2020 06:53AM
I've seen AT&T laying fiber for months in the alley behind my Birmingham loft.

But when I respond to their online ads: "AT&T Fiber is not available in your area."

What the heck have y'all been doing back there?
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Will Collier
Date: June 09, 2020 07:19AM
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stephen
I've seen AT&T laying fiber for months in the alley behind my Birmingham loft.

But when I respond to their online ads: "AT&T Fiber is not available in your area."

What the heck have y'all been doing back there?

Same thing happened here. They put fiber down in my neighborhood six months (at least) before they started taking orders for it.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 09, 2020 07:21AM
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stephen
I've seen AT&T laying fiber for months in the alley behind my Birmingham loft.

But when I respond to their online ads: "AT&T Fiber is not available in your area."

What the heck have y'all been doing back there?

AT&T ran conduit then pulled fiber on the main road outside my development nearly two years ago.

But they've been slow pulling it into neighborhoods...
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: rz
Date: June 09, 2020 07:46AM
AT&T gigabit fiber has been in an apartment complex that's literally two hundred yards from my house for a few years now. There's even an AT&T store in the shopping center next to it... again, literally two hundred yards from my house. They have signs up at the store saying "Gigabit fiber is available NOW!". But not in our neighborhood. Or in any of the other neighborhoods surrounding the store. I've checked. The only availability within several miles of the store is the one upscale apartment building next to the shopping center. I'm guessing the put the fiber in when it was built about 5 years ago.

I'm with Spectrum/Charter now, and get 100Mbps download with no data caps. If/when they ever institute data caps, I'll probably start looking around more. I've probably downloaded 1TB or more in the past couple of weeks (I found a great website that has thousands of bootleg concert videos on it).
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 09, 2020 08:53AM
Until Time Warner / Spectrum upgraded our neighborhood , I was seriously looking into getting a legal link to the fiber running down the main street and setting up a neighborhood mesh network to pay for it all.

We're luck that Spectrum doesn't cap usage. We run about 4TB/ month so far.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 09, 2020 08:56AM
>AT&T gigabit fiber has been in an apartment complex that's literally two hundred yards from my house for a few years now. There's even an AT&T store in the shopping center next to it... again, literally two hundred yards from my house.

Lived this. Sometimes they get exclusive contracts for buildings.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Gareth
Date: June 09, 2020 11:49AM
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rz
AT&T gigabit fiber has been in an apartment complex that's literally two hundred yards from my house for a few years now.

It's also way easier to wire up an apartment complex with more customers (especially if it's exclusive as mattkime mentioned) than a bunch of single family homes. AT&T Fiber is available in an apartment complex a few blocks from me, but not at my single family home.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: June 09, 2020 12:18PM
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rz
AT&T gigabit fiber has been in an apartment complex that's literally two hundred yards from my house for a few years now. There's even an AT&T store in the shopping center next to it... again, literally two hundred yards from my house. They have signs up at the store saying "Gigabit fiber is available NOW!". But not in our neighborhood. Or in any of the other neighborhoods surrounding the store. I've checked. The only availability within several miles of the store is the one upscale apartment building next to the shopping center. I'm guessing the put the fiber in when it was built about 5 years ago.

Sounds like someone is in the market for a two hundred yard fiber patch cord. grinning smiley



It is what it is.
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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 09, 2020 12:28PM
....some here really hate Cox......they would never, ever touch........Cox......



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: PeterB
Date: June 09, 2020 01:17PM
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GGD
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PeterB
For the next 7-8 years or so, they continuously spammed me with their stupid flyers for their crappy service. It took my writing a nasty paper letter, registered USPS, to their corporate headquarters, in order for them to permanently remove me and my address from their mailing list.

You could have tried filing a USPS Form 1500, you just needed to admit that you find mail from "COX" to be "arousing".

if you are the addressee of an advertisement, and consider the matter (product or service) that it offers for sale to be "erotically arousing or sexually provocative,"

[about.usps.com]

extended by case law to allow the recipient to declare any mailpiece obscene, for any reason whatsoever, with no requirement to state the reason(s) for taking offense

The only absolute requirement is that it must be possible to construe the mailpiece as an offer to sell goods or services. Various rulings have upheld the Supreme Court decision that the postal customer's discretion is not subject to review.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Not worth it to deal with the USPS regulatory rigamarole, and besides which, I'm not sure I'd want to be claiming that Cox is "arousing". eye popping smiley




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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 09, 2020 01:30PM
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Ombligo
Here is hoping Starlink lives up to its promise.

If they only hit half as fast, and twice as expensive, as long as the latency is low, I'm in.



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: Rolando
Date: June 09, 2020 02:28PM
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stephen
I've seen AT&T laying fiber for months in the alley behind my Birmingham loft.

But when I respond to their online ads: "AT&T Fiber is not available in your area."

What the heck have y'all been doing back there?

I been told they are using fiber to hook up 5G hubs for home internet service



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 09, 2020 07:14PM
.....hate Cox....wish someone would just suck them dry.......



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Re: ‘ Cox slows Internet speeds in entire neighborhoods to punish any heavy users ‘
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 09, 2020 09:13PM
What the heck have y'all been doing back there?

That's what she said.




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