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Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: pdq
Date: June 12, 2020 12:16PM
Not all of them, but...

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Tesla has started reaching out to some Solar Roof reservation holders to let them know that they are canceling their orders because they don’t cover their area.

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Upon further review, your home is not located within our currently planned service territory. The driving distance from our closest warehouse would make it difficult for us to provide you the high-quality service that our customers deserve. For this reason, we will not be able to proceed with your project.

Electrek was contacted by people in Oregon and Michigan who received the email.

Some such folks put down a $1000 deposit three years ago.

His car company stock is doin pretty well, but if you ask me, Elon is just a little flaky.
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Speedy
Date: June 12, 2020 12:19PM
One day he and Madoff will have the opportunity to share a cell. However, at this moment, my investment in TSLA is up 212%.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: hal
Date: June 12, 2020 12:23PM
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pdq
His car company stock is doin pretty well, but if you ask me, Elon is just a little flaky.

a little???
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 12, 2020 12:29PM
....so....raise the roof.....???



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 12, 2020 12:35PM
not that surprising



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 12, 2020 12:42PM
....just look at what he named the baby that he just had.....



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 12, 2020 12:42PM
They're having trouble sourcing COMPETANT roofing companies that don't try to drive nails through the middle of the solar shingle, and don't just rip those "silly wires" off with pliers.

Yes, those are from two actual stories of people who had Solar Roofs "installed". Those two roofs had to be completely stripped and re-done at Tesla's cost. They can't afford for every roof to cost them 3-4 times what the customer is paying.

They'll get their act together... just going to take a while... just like building cars took a few years.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: M A V I C
Date: June 12, 2020 12:56PM
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They're having trouble sourcing COMPETANT roofing companies that don't try to drive nails through the middle of the solar shingle, and don't just rip those "silly wires" off with pliers.

Yes, those are from two actual stories of people who had Solar Roofs "installed". Those two roofs had to be completely stripped and re-done at Tesla's cost. They can't afford for every roof to cost them 3-4 times what the customer is paying.

They'll get their act together... just going to take a while... just like building cars took a few years.

It's hard enough to find competent people to work on regular roofs. I've watched a couple roofs be done around here and it's common for the workers to walk on the tar paper with spikes on.




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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 12, 2020 01:01PM
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They're having trouble sourcing COMPETANT roofing companies that don't try to drive nails through the middle of the solar shingle, and don't just rip those "silly wires" off with pliers.

Yes, those are from two actual stories of people who had Solar Roofs "installed". Those two roofs had to be completely stripped and re-done at Tesla's cost. They can't afford for every roof to cost them 3-4 times what the customer is paying.

They'll get their act together... just going to take a while... just like building cars took a few years.

It's hard enough to find competent people to work on regular roofs. I've watched a couple roofs be done around here and it's common for the workers to walk on the tar paper with spikes on.

Yup... imagine trying to find local or regional contractors that are competent enough in TWO areas (roofing and electrical installations) to install Solar Roofs. I'm not saying this is Tesla's ONLY problem with the solar division, but it's been an ongoing and increasing headache that's helping drive the backlog.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 12, 2020 01:24PM
well put. Solar roof installation is a totally different skillset from the usual shingle roof installer. It's closer to tile roof installation, IMHO, which is probably why socal was a better starting point.

A good case study why trying to move a business model out of its incubation site to other climates takes a LOT of thinking and pilot attempts.

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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: June 12, 2020 02:16PM
....so an eclipse.....??



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: PeterW
Date: June 12, 2020 02:26PM
...of the heart...?
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: sekker
Date: June 12, 2020 02:48PM
We put in a 'reservation' last year, thinking it would take 3-4 years (or longer) to get to SE MN. Our roof will be getting near end-of-life by then.

I had not idea we were likely under-estimating the wait...
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: jonny
Date: June 12, 2020 06:41PM
If their tiles are too delicate to be put in by an informed roofer, I'm not sure I would want them.
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: June 12, 2020 07:06PM
I’ve heard the tiles are robust. It’s just a different technology than what experienced roofers are familiar with. Lots of successful installations out there. Tesla has been maturing this product for a few years. The problem now is demand exceeds their supply and capacity. That is a good problem to have. In time, they will figure this out, just like they do everything else.

The main reason everyone will want this us because in the end they it will save them a lot of money, without the aesthetic issues of a traditional solar panel. If you’re building new, or reroofing, you will save a ton of money.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 12, 2020 07:28PM
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If their tiles are too delicate to be put in by an informed roofer, I'm not sure I would want them.

They're not delicate...but they are ELECTRICAL items, whereas even an informed roofer is informed about how to install shingle or tile, not a solar tile. The tiles themselves (once installed and connected) are VERY robust, with a 50 year warranty. However, the average ham-@#$%& roofer can find a way to break them.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 12, 2020 07:31PM
Wait... @#$%& is a banned word?

Edit: I guess it is... Ewwww.... I get it. I didn't mean THAT!



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: June 12, 2020 08:43PM
Tesla should also refund three years’ worth of interest on that $1000.
At today’s rates, that would be what - the cost of the stamp?
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: June 12, 2020 08:50PM
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Tesla should also refund three years’ worth of interest on that $1000.
At today’s rates, that would be what - the cost of the stamp?

Technically, depending on how it was invested it could be negative.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 12, 2020 09:18PM
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Tesla should also refund three years’ worth of interest on that $1000.
At today’s rates, that would be what - the cost of the stamp?

Technically, depending on how it was invested it could be negative.

If they invested it in their own stock, it would be around $2700.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: June 12, 2020 11:44PM
If their tiles are too delicate to be put in by an informed roofer, I'm not sure I would want them.


You've leapt to the conclusion that damage was done to solar panels by an informed roofer, based on?

It's just as likely the roofer wasn't particularly competent (just as important as 'informed') to begin with.

And as robust as any solar panel may be, I doubt there are many/any that could stand up to someone driving a nail into it.

'That's ok, Mr. Jones. It was only a couple, and you've still got a lot more up there.'

To me, a competent roofer in this case is one who can work in both areas.

Being competent in only roofing would be enough.




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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Racer X
Date: June 13, 2020 12:44AM
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Tesla should also refund three years’ worth of interest on that $1000.
At today’s rates, that would be what - the cost of the stamp?

Technically, depending on how it was invested it could be negative.

If they invested it in their own stock, it would be around $2700.

Those deposits were keeping the company afloat methinks.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: deckeda
Date: June 13, 2020 08:46AM
Licensing and training is the recipe is it not?

If manufacturing is stressed, license it to others as subcontractors. This is done all the time for other products. Tesla can spend their efforts on training installers if they’re that specialized of a product. Or redesign them.
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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Paul F.
Date: June 13, 2020 10:16PM
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Licensing and training is the recipe is it not?

If manufacturing is stressed, license it to others as subcontractors. This is done all the time for other products. Tesla can spend their efforts on training installers if they’re that specialized of a product. Or redesign them.

I expect them to do those things... but it will take time to line up subcontractors they can trust, and be able to train them. That's why they're issuing some refunds.

They ALREADY redesigned them... the first version was way worse. This version is quite robust, but again, a roof-ape with a big hammer can still screw it up. Training regional installers takes a LOT of time.



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Re: Tesla cancelling solar roof orders
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: June 13, 2020 10:47PM
True enough Paul. I remember in the early 2000’s when the business jet industry was booming, we were hiring people off the street with no previous experience in aircraft. But they had extensive experience with automobile interiors and such. Well one of them got the bright idea to use razor blades to cut off insulation attached to the inside surface of the aircraft’s skin. The resulting scratchers required us to repair the entire top skin of the plane, very expensive mistake.
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