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Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 20, 2020 12:11PM
On a little-used service door:





At first I thought they looked small enough to be honeybees, but with the telephoto, I think they're clearly not. The nest is maybe 4-5", and I swear it wasn't there like, 3 days ago.

Anyway, advice? I presume I'm gonna spray it with something and run. I'm not very allergic to bee stings and the like.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 20, 2020 12:14PM





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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 20, 2020 12:19PM
Charge rent, but not too much. Don’t want to anger them



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: July 20, 2020 12:26PM
To quote MacReady, "it's weird and pissed off, whatever it is."

I second flamethrower vote.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 20, 2020 12:29PM
Wait for night. Soak it down with wasp spray.

The following night, knock it into a bucket. Cover the bucket. take the bucket out into the yard. Play "the ride of the valkyries" on your phone. Apply flames. Mock their corpses from a position of superior fire power. Talk about the smell of napalm in the evening.

Be happy that you did not open the door from the inside, with the resultant stings, screams, running, and abrupt chaos.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 20, 2020 12:51PM
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Zoidberg
To quote MacReady, "it's weird and pissed off, whatever it is."

I second flamethrower vote.

Yeah, some years ago, when my son was still at home, we faced a smaller one way up high where the eves came to a point.

He said, I'll get my paintball gun!

We had a long discussion of why that wasn't a good idea.

Any advice for brands or types of wasp spray?
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 20, 2020 01:09PM
Up until recently I would suggest something along what cbelt3 posted, but I have seen too many nests get soaked with spray and still have bugs the next day. My neighbor has a nest on juniper hedge. 3 days ago her son has sprayed it down at midnight two days in a row. It still has active bugs.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Harooneneutics
Date: July 20, 2020 01:18PM
I've had good luck with this spray but haven't tackled something quite as large as what you're dealing with: Spectracide PRO 18 oz. Wasp and Hornet Killer Aerosol.

The cheaper foaming stuff doesn't seem to work as well.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: July 20, 2020 01:25PM
Pay a beekeeper to deal with it.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Zoidberg
Date: July 20, 2020 01:41PM
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freeradical
Pay a beekeeper exterminator to deal with it.

This is actually the far better solution than wasp spray or flamethrower.

[added] There are extermination professionals that will deal with yellowjacket and wasp infestations.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: neophyte
Date: July 20, 2020 01:46PM
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freeradical
Pay a beekeeper to deal with it.

Those aren't honey bees. They're yellow jackets. I doubt a bee keeper will deal with them.

From experience, spray a stream of poison, from a distance, into the hole in the nest at dusk. And again the next morning if the remaining "swarm" is only a few still trying to get into the nest. Repeat daily until no more are seen. Then remove the nest.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: July 20, 2020 01:47PM
Those are yellowjackets.

I don't think beekeepers deal with them.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 20, 2020 01:51PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Use a funnel/tube and pour in liquid nitrogen until the pocket with the nest is full of liquid and stops boiling hard.
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Liquid nitrogen?

Sure, I'll just run down to the corner, and...oh, wait. That place only carries plutonium, in handy 1.21 gigawatt cans.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts - I went to Bezosville and looked at reviews. Ran to nearest Home Depot, planning on getting a pyrethrin-containing foam-shooter-can. But Home Depot had only one obscure brand of any wasp killer in stock, and not much of that.

It was cheap, I'll grant them that. Has pyrethrins, supposed to be non-staining.

I attack at dusk. I'll let you know how it goes (if I survive).
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: July 20, 2020 01:55PM
Do those wasp sprays have a tube similar to WD-40, CLC contact cleaner, etc?

If something could be rigged, then spray the outside at night for a couple of times, then on the third night punch a hole with a tube spray quickly.

Or rig up a garbage bag with some dry ice loosely wrapped in newspaper.

Creep on it ninja style and seal the bag around the nest.

The next night, knock the nest into the still sealed bag, close it up, quickly, just in case.

Put the bag in a bucket, and add flames.




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all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

Perfection is the enemy of progress. -Winston Churchill

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

I *love* SIGs. It's Glocks I hate.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: MrNoBody
Date: July 20, 2020 02:02PM
1st choice, pay an exterminator or use the good old boys method...


(highly flammable stuff)
or




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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: ztirffritz
Date: July 20, 2020 02:10PM
With extreme prejudice.





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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 20, 2020 02:12PM
pdq,

Don't waste the time of a beekeeper on these. They're not bees. They're yellow jackets. I've dealt with them. Wait until night. Spray around the nest and spray the crap out of the nest itself from a distance with an appropriately chosen pesticide. If necessary, run like mad. Do that three times. By then, all the yellow jackets ought to be dead or dying.

If you can get the spray through the entrance of the nest all the better. It's not that easy, though.

After the third time, let the nest dry out and then knock the nest down. If necessary, spray the hell out of it again. Finally, after all that, let it dry out again, crush it bits and clean up up.

Make sure to wear the appropriate protective gear.

The aforementioned method is what I developed on my own. Do My Own Pest Control has very good instructions, too.

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FWIW, I don't recommend a flame thrower, grenade or nuclear explosive. They might prove problematic over the long term. The grenade wouldn't work anyway. You'd be better off with napalm.

Robert



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: sekker
Date: July 20, 2020 02:15PM
Good luck! I always do this at as long a distance as I can...
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 20, 2020 02:17PM
.....with haste.......much haste........???



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: wave rider
Date: July 20, 2020 02:48PM
Those look like paper wasps.

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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 20, 2020 02:52PM
I once had a nest of those things INSIDE my house. That little bastids bore a hole though the wall and then through the sheetrock. The place where they broke through happened to be high in a closet. They broke through the sheetrock and then into a box that was against the wall. Inside the box, they built a nest.

That was NOT a fun discovery.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: macphanatic
Date: July 20, 2020 03:04PM
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mattkime
Charge rent, but not too much. Don’t want to anger them

Might violate some of the COVID related landlord restrictions.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 20, 2020 03:11PM
Wave,

Definitely possibility. Method of removal is the same. Wouldn't recommend using antimatter bombs, though. They're more problematic than nuclear explosives.

Robert
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: bfd
Date: July 20, 2020 03:18PM
Very artistic nest. It's a shame it has to go. Get the stuff you can spray from 20 ft away and have your escape route planned carefully prior to depressing the valve …
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 20, 2020 03:23PM
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 20, 2020 03:23PM
Those are Paper Wasps.

Set up a water sprinkler to hit the nest. Set it out, retreat and turn the hose on. Let it spray the nest all night. It will dissolve.

Simpler to just spray it with wasp killer though.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 20, 2020 03:35PM
....so it will dissolve like one's life long dreams......???



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: btfc
Date: July 20, 2020 03:36PM
Yes, paper wasps, yellow jackets nest in the ground. Second the spray at night plan. The colder the temp the better. Not a huge nest yet.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 20, 2020 03:46PM
Paper wasps ... still sting like a biotch. Starr puts it at a 3: [en.wikipedia.org]. Though Schmidt only puts it at a 1: [en.wikipedia.org]




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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: fauch
Date: July 20, 2020 04:04PM
Move...
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 20, 2020 04:15PM
Feeding CO2 gas in through a tube from dry ice chopped up in a 2 liter bottle would also work, just slower.

Hmm, I will admit I have not bought it since I moved from the S.F. area. Looks like N2 ice cream is not a very big thing in Washington. Only two ice cream places in Seattle mention using it in the raw form. I guess I was spoiled by having access to a 6,000 gallon tank of it when I worked at the refinery.

You can make your own liquid N2 at home with a SCUBA tank pump, or for the quick way rent/buy a nitrogen cylinder for welding/home-brewing and bleed it into the nest.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 20, 2020 04:26PM
.....can you use paper.....roses......???



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: July 20, 2020 04:54PM
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hal
I once had a nest of those things INSIDE my house. That little bastids bore a hole though the wall and then through the sheetrock. The place where they broke through happened to be high in a closet. They broke through the sheetrock and then into a box that was against the wall. Inside the box, they built a nest.

That was NOT a fun discovery.

That sounds worse than that time I found a possum under my bed.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Rolando
Date: July 20, 2020 05:00PM
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neophyte
Those aren't honey bees. They're yellow jackets. I doubt a bee keeper will deal with them.

I saw a documentary where an "Ant-Man" deals with him!




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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Robert M
Date: July 20, 2020 07:57PM
Hey everyone,

Just an FYI, it is possible for this particular nasty to be a yellow jacket. Not all of them nest underground and they do look quite a bit like paper wasps. The nests bear similarities, too.

Robert



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 20, 2020 08:01PM
....a vanquishing spell.....??



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 20, 2020 08:27PM
It's done. There wasn't much activity, so I just kept soaking it til the nest started to break down.

Then I ran.

I'll look at it in the morning again.
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 20, 2020 09:09PM
....so like a marriage.....???



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 20, 2020 09:27PM
Be extra vigilant to make sure their new nest isn't somewhere else on your property. Keep an eye out at dusk and dawn for any of those things flying around. Kill them all.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 21, 2020 08:54AM
Best to remove them in December. Choose a particularly cold morning.



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 21, 2020 10:11AM
.....because of 'shrinkage'......???



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 21, 2020 12:26PM
The end (?):



Wife saw no activity this AM, gave em another shot to be sure, and I later knocked the nest down without any signs of life.

...with the possible exception of those cells closed off with white seals (in the upper right corner). Do I have to worry about young-uns emerging, or are they (as I expect) dead too?
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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 21, 2020 12:48PM
.....kill them......kill them all......!!!!



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Re: Oh crap. How do I dispatch these?
Posted by: PeterB
Date: July 21, 2020 02:15PM
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pdq
The end (?):



Wife saw no activity this AM, gave em another shot to be sure, and I later knocked the nest down without any signs of life.

...with the possible exception of those cells closed off with white seals (in the upper right corner). Do I have to worry about young-uns emerging, or are they (as I expect) dead too?

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I think you need to assume the unfortunate possibility of repopulation.




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