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Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 25, 2020 05:03PM
Well this is a first.

Purchase a new MacBookA9,9,1 from Apple 2 months ago for my wife.

For the past week, the unit's been suddenly shutting down about once a day, and restarting the Panic Medic Boot window.

This morning it started shutting down many times and finally wouldn't start at all.

I did a google dive and discovered and followed these suggestions from this particular Apple Discussion:

1. Shut down and disconnect all externals

2. Reset the SMC 3 times

3. Reset the NVRAM 3 times

4. Booted into Safe Mode, and the restarted

(I continued to get Panics intermittently throughout these steps)

5. Downloaded and installed a free utility (new to me) called Etrecheck. and ran the test.

No major things were found, but it did point out a few minor things they didn't like. They all turned up in a single folder, ~/Library/LaunchAgents/. They were from fairly innocuous apps, such as GoToMeeting and Google Software, but deleted them any way. Restarted and ran Etrecheck again, and it found nothing.

6. Then downloaded and ran Malwarebytes just for kicks, and it found nothing.

Still getting Panics periodically.

I'm thinking that this now has to be a hardware issue.

Apple stores around us are all closed, so I've chosen to do their phone process, and am on hold now.

If anyone has any other ideas, I'm open. Here's the Etre


EtreCheck version: 5.5.5 (5111)
Report generated: 2020-07-25 16:37:03
Download EtreCheck from [etrecheck.com]
Runtime: 2:12
Performance: Excellent
Sandbox: Enabled
Full drive access: Disabled

Problem: Computer is restarting
Description:
Panic Medic Boot multiple times

Major Issues:
Anything that appears on this list needs immediate attention.
No Time Machine backup - Time Machine backup not found.

Minor Issues:
These issues do not need immediate attention but they may indicate future problems or opportunities for improvement.
Unsigned files - There are unsigned software files installed. Apple has said that unsigned software will not run by default in a future version of the operating system.
Limited drive access - More information may be available with Full Drive Access.

Hardware Information:
MacBook Air (Retina, 13-inch, 2020)
MacBook Air Model: MacBookAir9,1
1.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i3 (i3-1000NG4) CPU: 2-core
8 RAM - Not upgradeable
BANK 0/ChannelA-DIMM0 - 4 GB LPDDR4X 3733
BANK 2/ChannelB-DIMM0 - 4 GB LPDDR4X 3733
Battery: Health = Normal - Cycle count = 10

Video Information:
Intel Iris Plus Graphics - VRAM: 1536 MB
Color LCD (built-in) 2880 x 1800

Drives:
disk0 - APPLE SSD AP0256N 251.00 GB (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)
Internal PCI-Express 8.0 GT/s x4 NVM Express
disk0s1 - EFI [EFI] 315 MB
disk0s2 [APFS Container] 250.69 GB
disk1 [APFS Virtual drive] 250.69 GB (Shared by 5 volumes)
disk1s1 - Macintosh HD (APFS) (Shared - 11.21 GB used)
disk1s2 - M************ Data (APFS) [APFS Virtual drive] (Shared - 119.22 GB used)
disk1s3 - Preboot (APFS) [APFS Preboot] (Shared)
disk1s4 - Recovery (APFS) [Recovery] (Shared)
disk1s5 - VM (APFS) [APFS VM] (Shared - 1.07 GB used)

Mounted Volumes:
disk1s1 - Macintosh HD
250.69 GB (Shared - 11.21 GB used, 122.02 GB available, 118.43 GB free)
APFS
Mount point: /
Encrypted
Read-only: Yes

disk1s2 - M************ Data [APFS Virtual drive]
250.69 GB (Shared - 119.22 GB used, 122.02 GB available, 118.43 GB free)
APFS
Mount point: /System/Volumes/Data
Encrypted

disk1s5 - VM [APFS VM]
250.69 GB (Shared - 1.07 GB used, 118.43 GB free)
APFS
Mount point: /private/var/vm
Encrypted

Network:
Interface en0: Wi-Fi
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
Interface en4: Bluetooth PAN
Interface bridge0: Thunderbolt Bridge

System Software:
macOS Catalina 10.15.6 (19G73)
Time since boot: Less than an hour

Notifications:
Notifications not available without Full Drive Access.

Security:
System Status
Gatekeeper: Enabled
System Integrity Protection: Enabled

Antivirus software: Apple

Unsigned Files:
Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MAIRUploader.plist
Executable: ~/Library/Application Support/LogMeInInc/GoToMeeting/G2MUpload
Details: Executable file is not accessible without Full Drive Access

Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.google.keystone.xpcservice.plist
Executable: ~/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/GoogleSoftwareUpdate.bundle/Contents/Resources/GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent -runMode xpchost
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK

Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.google.keystone.agent.plist
Executable: ~/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/GoogleSoftwareUpdate.bundle/Contents/Resources/GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent -runMode ifneeded
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK

Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist
Executable: ~/Library/Application Support/LogMeInInc/GoToMeeting/G2MUpdate
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK

System Launch Agents:
[Not Loaded] 17 Apple tasks
[Loaded] 178 Apple tasks
[Running] 118 Apple tasks

System Launch Daemons:
[Not Loaded] 33 Apple tasks
[Loaded] 182 Apple tasks
[Running] 122 Apple tasks

User Launch Agents:
[Loaded] com.dropbox.DropboxMacUpdate.agent.plist (Dropbox, Inc. - installed 2020-05-25)
[Loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist (? 0 - installed 2020-05-25)
[Loaded] com.google.keystone.xpcservice.plist (? 0 - installed 2020-05-25)
[Loaded] com.logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MAIRUploader.plist (? 0 - installed 2020-07-07)
[Loaded] com.logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist (? 0 - installed 2020-07-07)

User Login Items:
[Not Loaded] 1Password Extension Helper (AgileBits Inc. - installed 2020-07-10)
Modern Login Item
/Applications/1Password 7.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/1Password Extension Helper.app

[Not Loaded] 1Password Launcher (AgileBits Inc. - installed 2020-07-10)
Modern Login Item
/Applications/1Password 7.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/1Password Launcher.app

[Running] AppCleaner SmartDelete (Julien Ramseier - installed 2020-05-24)
Modern Login Item
/Applications/AppCleaner.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/AppCleaner SmartDelete.app

[Not Loaded] BSLoginLauncher (App Store - installed 2020-06-07)
Modern Login Item
/Applications/Brightness Slider.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/BSLoginLauncher.app

User Internet Plug-ins:
User Internet Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

User Audio Plug-ins:
User Audio Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

User iTunes Plug-ins:
User iTunes Plug-ins need Full Drive Access

Safari Extensions:
1Password (AgileBits Inc. - installed 2020-07-10)

Time Machine:
Time Machine Not Configured!

Performance:
System Load: 15.77 (1 min ago) 15.88 (5 min ago) 7.47 (15 min ago)
Nominal I/O speed: 9.83 MB/s
File system: 26.09 seconds
Write speed: 1009 MB/s
Read speed: 1374 MB/s

CPU Usage Snapshot:
Type Overall
System: 5 %
User: 9 %
Idle: 86 %

Top Processes Snapshot by CPU:
Process (count) CPU (Source - Location)
Other processes 25.46 % (?)
EtreCheck 15.50 % (App Store)
Spotlight 14.37 % (Apple)
dmd 0.97 % (Apple)
trustd 0.09 % (Apple)

Top Processes Snapshot by Memory:
Process (count) RAM usage (Source - Location)
EtreCheck 502 MB (App Store)
App Store 140 MB (Apple)
accountsd 98 MB (Apple)
Spotlight 96 MB (Apple)
Dock 93 MB (Apple)

Top Processes Snapshot by Network Use:
Process (count) Input / Output (Source - Location)
Other processes 1020 KB / 4 MB (?)
CalendarAgent 9 KB / 7 KB (Apple)
SystemUIServer 0 B / 64 B (Apple)
spindump_agent 0 B / 0 B (Apple)
backgroundtaskmanagementagent 0 B / 0 B (Apple)

Virtual Memory Information:
Physical RAM: 8 GB

Free RAM: 1.67 GB
Used RAM: 3.92 GB
Cached files: 2.41 GB

Available RAM: 4.08 GB
Swap Used: 0 B

Software Installs (past 30 days):
Install Date Name (Version)
2020-06-30 iMovie (10.1.14)
2020-07-10 Numbers (10.0)
2020-07-10 Pages (10.0)
2020-07-10 Keynote (10.0)
2020-07-14 Microsoft To Do (2.22)
2020-07-17 macOS 10.15.6 Update
2020-07-24 XProtectPlistConfigData (2127)
2020-07-24 MRTConfigData (1.64)
2020-07-25 EtreCheck (5.5.5)











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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: hal
Date: July 25, 2020 05:16PM
Two months old and having panics...

Step one: call apple

when it comes to new hardware, I don't mess around. I don't search the net for fixes. I get apple on the phone and then get the computer to apple asap.
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 25, 2020 05:49PM
Look in the /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports folder for panic logs which will have file names that end with the word "panic."

At this point, you should have several of them.

Some logs will show last loaded/unloaded kexts and active BSD processes, recorded at the time of the crash.

One quick way to find the cause of multiple panics is to look for items that consistently come up in the panic reports under those three categories.

You won't always see the same things listed there, and some panic reports are useless dumps of binary data. But the first step to diagnose a panic is to check the panic reports.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: July 25, 2020 08:50PM
Sounds like hardware to me. Have you tried a nuke and pave? I assume there's a backup or two around....
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: GGD
Date: July 25, 2020 08:52PM
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anonymouse1
Sounds like hardware to me. Have you tried a nuke and pave? I assume there's a backup or two around....

When it displays a message saying that there's a 3rd party extension that's preventing booting, I'm not sure that hardware would be the first thing that I'd point the finger at.

The kernel panic logs should have interesting information.
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: C(-)ris
Date: July 25, 2020 08:55PM
I see there are at least a few third party extensions loaded. I'd do a erase and internet restore and see if it still panics.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 25, 2020 09:20PM
Quote
C(-)ris
I see there are at least a few third party extensions loaded. I'd do a erase and internet restore and see if it still panics.

agree smiley



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: S. Pupp
Date: July 25, 2020 11:19PM
Quote
Filliam H. Muffman
Quote
C(-)ris
I see there are at least a few third party extensions loaded. I'd do a erase and internet restore and see if it still panics.

agree smiley

I also agree. Consider backing up with Carbon Copy Cloner before doing so, though.

I'm also having a problem with kernel panics, but I think its my titanium PowerBook G4 overheating from the WPA2 compatible Linksys PCMCIA wifi card I have in it. I get about 15 minutes out of it before the panics happen. Too bad - I prefer using this to my MBP2017. Better hit "Post Message" before it happens again.
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: July 25, 2020 11:23PM
Wait-some of you actually read that laundry list?You're better folk than I!
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: July 26, 2020 01:01AM
Quote
tuqqer
For the past week, the unit's been suddenly shutting down about once a day, and restarting the Panic Medic Boot window…Downloaded and installed a free utility (new to me) calledEtrecheck and ran the test

…and even without full system access it discovered that you have…
  • logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MAIRUploader
  • logmein.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate
  • google.keystone
  • google.keystone.xpcservice
  • DropboxMacUpdate.agent
  • 1Password Extension Helper
  • 1Password Launcher
  • AppCleaner SmartDelete
  • BSLoginLauncher
…third-party low-level software installed.

I suggest you start by taking a clone backup, verify that it will boot the computer, then nuke'n'pave and see how the system behaves. If it runs okay on a virgin system, suspect one or more of the listed items.
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: d4
Date: July 26, 2020 09:23AM
I bet it's AppCleaner.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 26, 2020 09:31AM
Sunday morning update. After a stellar and really impressive phone support call with Apple (including using a built-in screenshare system they have with a red pointy arrow that you can both see), and going through some additional hard ware tests, I deleted all the 3rd party apps, and did a reinstall. So far so good.

I'd been using all these 3rd party apps for years on my machines (2013 MacPro and 2015 MBAir) with nary a problem. I suspect the new Apple T2 security chip's different design just doesn't dance with some of these apps. Lesson learned.

thanks all for the suggestions, they helped.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 26, 2020 09:34AM
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tuqqer
I'd been using all these 3rd party apps for years on my machines (2013 MacPro and 2015 MBAir) with nary a problem. I suspect the new Apple T2 security chip's different design just doesn't dance with some of these apps...

The T2 chip doesn't do anything that would cause a panic like you described.

Most likely, one or more of your apps simply wasn't updated for Catalina.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 26, 2020 09:49AM
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Sarcany
Most likely, one or more of your apps simply wasn't updated for Catalina.

That could be it. REALLY glad we didn't have to take it in and deal with all that.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: modelamac
Date: July 26, 2020 10:42AM
As Sarcany says, you need to address the problems causing the panic, as described in the Diagnostic logs.

I had a similar problem with many panics in my 2018 Mac mini. Called Apple expecting warranty help but was guided back to proving it was not software causing the problems.

I disconnected all peripherals except keyboard and mouse. Logs pointed to Gmail app and USB Overdrive, so I got rid of those for starters. I used AppCleaner (free) to do this because I wanted to get rid of the stuff those two install in the System. It did enough that the panics went away. Apple was right - not a hardware problem at all. The apps need to be updated or reinstalled or something to make them compatible. I'm getting along without them.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 26, 2020 11:44AM
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modelamac
As Sarcany says, you need to address the problems causing the panic, as described in the Diagnostic logs.

I had a similar problem with many panics in my 2018 Mac mini. Called Apple expecting warranty help but was guided back to proving it was not software causing the problems.

I hear you. Lesson learned. Just was a surprise, never had issues like this with apps that had before been quite well known and stable. But I get it.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 26, 2020 12:32PM
Apple's transition operating systems have historically been pretty bad experiences.

We've arguably had three transition-operating systems in a row. APFS in High Sierra, and more APFS and security changes in Mojave, and then Catalina with the split volume scheme and firmlinks and deprecated extensions and killing 32-bit apps and important apps replaced with half-finished Catalyst apps.

And now there's yet another transition OS coming (Big Sur) along with the ARM chip migration, promising to kill all of your apps that rely upon kernel extensions.

More than ever, it's important to check compatibility and upgrade all of your critical apps *before* upgrading the OS or buying a new Mac.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: July 26, 2020 02:07PM
....Panic at the Disco......????



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Article Accelerator
Date: July 26, 2020 03:52PM
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Sarcany
More than ever, it's important to check compatibility and upgrade all of your critical apps *before* upgrading the OS or buying a new Mac.

agree smiley
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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 28, 2020 06:13AM
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Article Accelerator
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Sarcany
More than ever, it's important to check compatibility and upgrade all of your critical apps *before* upgrading the OS or buying a new Mac.

agree smiley

Yep, and run Conflict Catcher.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 28, 2020 07:57AM
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Speedy

Yep, and run Conflict Catcher.

Funny you mention this. Discovered that it was Ram Doubler that was causing the conflict, so we reluctantly removed it.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: July 28, 2020 09:38AM
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tuqqer
Quote
Speedy

Yep, and run Conflict Catcher.

Funny you mention this. Discovered that it was Ram Doubler that was causing the conflict, so we reluctantly removed it.

RAM Doubler runs best on a 68030 with clean ROMs. It will work on your Mac LC, but ideally you'd run it on nothing less than a IIsi with at least 32MB of "real" RAM.

If you upgrade to RAM Doubler 9, you can run it on a PPC Mac, but beware that there's a bug that can interrupt AppleTalk connections. Turn on on TCP/IP in the Chooser.



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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: July 28, 2020 09:41AM
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tuqqer
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Speedy

Yep, and run Conflict Catcher.

Funny you mention this. Discovered that it was Ram Doubler that was causing the conflict, so we reluctantly removed it.

Whew! I was worried it was Flying Toasters!





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Re: Brand new MBAir having repeating Panic Medic Boot issues
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: July 28, 2020 10:14AM
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Sarcany
Quote
tuqqer
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Speedy

RAM Doubler runs best on a 68030 with clean ROMs. It will work on your Mac LC, but ideally you'd run it on nothing less than a IIsi with at least 32MB of "real" RAM.

If you upgrade to RAM Doubler 9, you can run it on a PPC Mac, but beware that there's a bug that can interrupt AppleTalk connections. Turn on on TCP/IP in the Chooser.

I always chuckle at mentions like this, but it also brings up PTSD, from the nightmare of the OS 6 and 7 days. Lost docs, crashes, stuff I could never figure out (remember configuring a printer?). Apple's decision to go with the linuxy'sh BSD code base (apologies I'm not a coder so I'm talking out my feet here). They saved the day.



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