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Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: pRICE cUBE
Date: October 23, 2020 01:31PM


I was able to swap out a HD to an SSD in a 2012 MacBook Pro 13" without any issue or specialized tool.

Feeling confident, I then moved to my 2011 mini. ARRRRRRRRGH! I need some kind of tool for a torx 11 something tiny screw in order to upgrade the HD in my Mac mini to an SSD. Why does apple use these specialized screws?



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2020 10:33PM by pRICE cUBE.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: modelamac
Date: October 23, 2020 01:46PM
So you can't.



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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: jardster
Date: October 23, 2020 01:48PM
I guess they have been using them for long enough and I've upgraded enough portable Macs that I've got so many extra Torx screwdrivers sitting around.



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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: October 23, 2020 01:50PM
Torx gives better assembly performance and you can get closer torque on them. They are a better screw for putting things together in a factory.

Remember... NOBODY designs products for ease of repair first. Ease of assembly is the higher priority.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 23, 2020 01:50PM
So you can't.


This.

And it does help discourage casual shade-tree modifying.

But torx or pentalobe drivers are readily available in security and non-security versions.

Soldering componets, that's well out of most everybody's wheelhouse.




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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: RAMd®d
Date: October 23, 2020 01:50PM
Ease of assembly is the higher priority.

Fair point.




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all who would be called good
must suffer with him.

Everybody matters or nobody matters.

You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.

We don’t do focus groups. They just ensure that you don’t offend anyone, and produce bland inoffensive products. —Sir Jonathan Ive

-An armed society is a polite society.
And hope is a lousy defense.

You make me pull, I'll put you down.

Mister, that's a ten-gallon hat on a twenty-gallon head.

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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: mikebw
Date: October 23, 2020 02:01PM
There was a time when they used tiny phillips heads on a particular screw in PowerBooks which was occasionally really hard to remove without stripping the head. If you didn't press hard enough and the screwdriver slipped it was pretty much the end for that screw.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: October 23, 2020 02:06PM
You can get kits from our sponsor. Although I did hit a screw once that was not a fit for any driver in my kit. I ended up buying a 30-piece driver set from lowes for just that one.



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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: sekker
Date: October 23, 2020 02:11PM
It's a simple test - if you do not have the magic tools, you likely do not have the knowledge to do the sensitive repairs...
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: SKYLANE
Date: October 23, 2020 03:20PM
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RAMd®d
shade-tree modifying


That's a new term for me, what does that mean?
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: October 23, 2020 03:22PM
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mikebw
There was a time when they used tiny phillips heads on a particular screw in PowerBooks which was occasionally really hard to remove without stripping the head. If you didn't press hard enough and the screwdriver slipped it was pretty much the end for that screw.

The only machine I've ever been thwarted by in an attempt to upgrade it to an SSD was a low budget Dell model with exactly what you describe. Tiny, over tightened Philips-head screws all of which stripped when I tried to remove them. And I'm pretty good at snapping screws loose from excessive age or tightening.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: hal
Date: October 23, 2020 03:26PM
The phillips head screws locking the drives in place on G4 powermacs were a real problem as I recall. Torx screws do not have this problem ever.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: October 23, 2020 03:32PM
Also, anyone remember the odd shaped screw in the Mac Plus case ? Kensington sold a kit - a long handled allen head key and a metal clamp that worked as a 'case cracker'.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: testcase
Date: October 23, 2020 03:34PM
A few years ago, I bought the deluxe kit sold by I fix it.com. Quality tools that have never failed me yet.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: clay
Date: October 23, 2020 03:35PM
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SKYLANE
Quote
RAMd®d
shade-tree modifying


That's a new term for me, what does that mean?

ever heard the term shade-tree mechanic? I'm guessing it's a play on that.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: lost in space
Date: October 23, 2020 04:15PM
Yes, ease of assembly. The power screwdrivers they use have automatic screw feed and that type engages well with the driver tip, especially with smaller size screws.



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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: JoeH
Date: October 23, 2020 04:52PM
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hal
The phillips head screws locking the drives in place on G4 powermacs were a real problem as I recall. Torx screws do not have this problem ever.

Yep. I still have a drive stuck in place with double sided tape where I couldn't get one of those screws to loosen. Always meant to go back in with a remover, never got a round tu'it.



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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: JoeH
Date: October 23, 2020 05:00PM
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cbelt3
Also, anyone remember the odd shaped screw in the Mac Plus case ? Kensington sold a kit - a long handled allen head key and a metal clamp that worked as a 'case cracker'.

All the ones I ever saw were just Torx. The long shaft tool was just because Torx bits in a socket would not fit down the hole. If I recall the size correctly, a T10 on a 6-7" long shaft.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: Mr Downtown
Date: October 23, 2020 05:53PM
I've been in my 2011 Mini twice in the last couple of months: once to reattach the SSD connector that had shaken loose and more recently to upgrade the SSD. Had to order a Torx set, but luckily I have Prime this year and an Amazon hub locker near me, so it was only 9 hours of waiting. And mad props to our sponsor for some great how-to videos.

What's funny to me is that Apple has all these complicated parts and curved shrouds that have to be fit just so inside the Mini—all just so the circular bottom cover can twist off without any tools. Once you do that, though, nothing other than the two memory modules can be easily swapped out without further specialized tools and knowledge. Seems like a very odd design decision.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: Lew Zealand
Date: October 23, 2020 06:27PM
BTW, you can remove Torx screws with the carefully fitted flat head screwdriver. I used a 7" flathead to open the Torx Mac Plusses back in the day because I never saw the torx version until I met my father in law.

You know you've found your wife when your future FIL has a Torx to crack open a Mac Plus and he's already upgraded his to an SE/30.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: ADent
Date: October 24, 2020 12:34AM
I just did a 2012 and you need a T6, T8 and small hex/allen.

I have all those, but if you buy a drive from our sponsor (OWC) you can get a kit with those.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: space-time
Date: October 24, 2020 12:25PM
I hate Phillips screws. Too easy to strip, too each to confuse with Pozidrive (I think that's what is called, a similar + shaped style screw but different angles so Phillips fits but not very well).

I love torx.

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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: tenders
Date: October 24, 2020 12:34PM
What, no owners of Japanese motorcycles stepping up to defende JIS (Japan Industrial Standard) screws?

Didn't think so. Me neither.
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Re: Apple, why the tiny star shaped screws? I just want to put an SSD in my 2011 Mac Mini
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: October 24, 2020 08:54PM
.....Starman.....



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