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Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: New.Dad
Date: December 13, 2005 07:56PM
www.rosettastone.com

or any other similar program? I have seed an ad a few months ago in a magazine while I was waiting at the doctors. might have been for Rosetta Stone, might have been something else, not sure. what else is out there?

And most important, do these really work?
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 13, 2005 08:04PM
I think Gtds has had experience with it but don't quote me on it.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 13, 2005 08:04PM
Try the Rosetta Stone demo! I've been using the Japanese program, and - as long as I can smash in some time for it during the day - it's been wonderful.

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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 13, 2005 08:05PM
(that was some funny timing, there.)
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: MacGurl
Date: December 13, 2005 08:06PM
I'm doing the Japanese thing also, though I'm not nearly as far along as GtDS, and I'm finding it a very solid way to learn also.

Kathy





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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: SteveJobs
Date: December 13, 2005 08:59PM
It's okay, but I wish the interface was better - and explained where you are and where you're going. And a definition of words would be great.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 13, 2005 09:12PM
SteveJobs Wrote:
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> It's okay, but I wish the interface was better -
> and explained where you are and where you're
> going. And a definition of words would be great.

For what it's worth, I prefer it the way it is. The method, as I understand it, is to absorb the language without translation, which is the way we learn our first language(s).

I think literal translation would be a hindrance; I know just fine that "kuruma wa shiroi desu" means "the car is white," even though the program never actually says that.

GtDS
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: December 14, 2005 10:07AM
For what it's worth, I prefer it the way it is. The method, as I understand it, is to absorb the language without translation, which is the way we learn our first language(s).


The only place where that approach survives is in borderline-dishonest commercial ventures. Anyone who tells you that you can "Learn a Language by listening to it" either wants your money, or has extremely low standards.

Of course, it depends on what you mean by "learn a language". If you take it to mean learning a few phrases and questions which, when uttered by you, will prompt anyone with an ear who can speak English to start speaking English to you, then yes, you can "learn a language" that way.

I especially love Kwikee Language Learning products that teach you to ask "useful" questions such as "Where is the train station?" Learning the questions is absolutely pointless because you won't have learned anywhere near enough using these quickie methods to understand the answers.

If you think that "learning a language" means actually learning to speak, read and write in your target language with at least moderate competence, then no, you cannot do it with these "Language in a Can" products.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 14, 2005 10:41AM
ka jowct Wrote:
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> The only place where that approach survives is in
> borderline-dishonest commercial ventures. Anyone
> who tells you that you can "Learn a Language by
> listening to it" either wants your money, or has
> extremely low standards.

If you're referring to Rosetta Stone, I believe you've totally misrepresented how the program works and the goals of the user. In my case, I started out with basic nouns and adjectives, has gone through simple numbers, and I'm now working on identification sentences, e.g., "This animal is not a dog; it is a cat." It works using photographs, recorded audio, and written text in the target language.

Immersion is best, and this is about as close as you can get with limited access to a classroom or native speakers. This is not a "where is the train station?" sort of program, and you're doing it a disservice by classifying it as one.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 14, 2005 11:52AM
GtDS

curious, where did you get your version of Rosetta Stone?

I've been thinkin of gettin some language learnin' and looking at this. . .a relative cheap place to purchase it if possible. . .

thanks

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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 14, 2005 11:55AM
NewtonMP2100 Wrote:
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> curious, where did you get your version of Rosetta
> Stone?
>
> I've been thinkin of gettin some language learnin'
> and looking at this. . .a relative cheap place to
> purchase it if possible. . .

Amazon. No such thing as cheap, though. :-)

I do recommend the demo I linked to earlier; it gives a real good idea of how the program works.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: December 14, 2005 12:03PM
yes, thanks for tha. . .I took a look at it and it intrigued me further. . .

I checked and Ebay has cheaper prices BUT. . .you know. . .ebay. . .

might just bite the bullet and get it from Amazon (about the same prices as the website even with 10% off)

thanks!

smiling smiley
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: December 14, 2005 03:56PM
Greg, the process you are describing will not result in you actually knowing a language unless at some point it teaches you grammar. Immersion is great, but you must learn the grammar of the language, and that's not something that you just absorb. No one wants to believe this, but it is true.
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Greg the dogsitter
Date: December 14, 2005 04:05PM
ka jowct Wrote:
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> Greg, the process you are describing will not
> result in you actually knowing a language unless
> at some point it teaches you grammar. Immersion is
> great, but you must learn the grammar of the
> language, and that's not something that you just
> absorb. No one wants to believe this, but it is
> true.

[www2.rosettastone.com]
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: ka jowct
Date: December 14, 2005 09:04PM
Studies show that learning exclusively in the new language—without translation as a crutch—is crucial if you want to communicate. Grammar drills and rote memorization never develop this skill. Dynamic Immersion helps you think in the new language and quickly develops the language skills and structures you need to for everyday communication.


Wow. Big, fat whopping lie!
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Re: Learning a FOREIGN language, does Rosetta Stone really work?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: December 20, 2005 02:58PM
Sanbon Shobu, Hajime!
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