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If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 04, 2006 08:03PM
I have lots of miscellaneous health problems that can't be diagnosed and wondered if a no-gluten diet would indicate gluten sensitivity. I have a pan of chicken drippings and want some gravy, but the rice flour has bugs in it. I'm on my second day off wheat and wondered if the no-gluten diet is worth staying on or if possible relief is around the corner.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 04, 2006 08:19PM
Remember, unless you're a democracy advocate in China, Google is your friend.
[www.google.com]



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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 04, 2006 08:27PM
I'm all Googled out. I thought I would get a quick, specific answer here.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: February 04, 2006 08:28PM
yeah, I come here regularly for answers to my severe medical problems.

God forbid I should have to even Google it, let alone wait until I can ask my doctor...



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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: February 04, 2006 08:38PM
Dennis S,

I am gluten intolerant.

I could write a book about it. Basically, in the course of six months; I went from 225 lbs. to 145 lbs. I got to the point where it didn't matter what I ate, everything seemed to make me sick. I felt like I was slowly dying.

Everything improved when I went on a completely gluten free diet. It took a while for everything to heal. This was 21 years ago so I am sorry I can't give you a specific number of days or months.

But worth it? You bet your life! I wouldn't go back to the misery for anything.

You need to find a good doctor. There are simple blood tests to diagnose gluten intolerance.

Be aware that lactose intolerance can accompany gluten intolerance. This is because the absorption of both occurs at the same area of the villi of the small intestine.

If you want more information, PM me. I will be glad to share my experience with you.

One last thing...why don't you use pure corn starch to make gravy? Rice flour will never make a good gravy.





I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)





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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 04, 2006 08:42PM
elmo3 Wrote:
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> yeah, I come here regularly for answers to my
> severe medical problems.
>
> God forbid I should have to even Google it, let
> alone wait until I can ask my doctor...
>
> ---
>
> Never underestimate the power of stupid people in
> large groups.

I've been Googling for a long time and have seen doctors for years with no help. Instead of seeing one more doctor one more time and spending hundreds of dollars, I figured a no-wheat diet and a question here for people experienced in this would be a good thing to do.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: February 04, 2006 08:43PM
elmo,

Is it so hard not to type anything if you don't have anything to add?

You can go through many so called doctors before you find one that knows a damned thing about celiac disease.

They say 1 in 100 people have celiac. There may even be more, if people could get a good diagnosis.



I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: elmo3
Date: February 04, 2006 09:12PM
My mother has Celiac Disease. I know all about it.

That doesn't mean I'm going to go on a Macintosh web board and give someone medical advice.

And if I save one life by getting someone to go the "extra mile" and not stop at the Mac web board but seek out professional advice, I'm happy.



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In the words of DharmaDog: "it may or may not be utter horse@#$%&, but it shouldn't be dismissed simply because it doesn't agree with your opinion."

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Trying is the first step to failure. -- Homer Simpson
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: February 04, 2006 09:23PM
elmo,

If you know so much about it, why didn't you share? Isn't that what this place is about? Or do you only offer information after it has met your criteria?

If you don't have anything to share; don't post.




I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 04, 2006 09:40PM
I don't think your thread did anything to save my life, Elmo. Plus, from your thread, you don't seem that kindhearted.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 04, 2006 09:44PM
which version of OS X are you running?

(sorry, i have nothing to add except "good luck")
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 04, 2006 09:57PM
How long did this take to develop? It may take weeks or months to notice the difference. As your naturopath about colonics or coffee enemas. Just don't go to McDonalds for them, or at least let them cool before trying to administer them while driving.

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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Phy
Date: February 04, 2006 10:27PM
Refurbvirgin Wrote:
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> naturopath about colonics or coffee enemas. Just
> don't go to McDonalds for them, or at least let
> them cool before trying to administer them while
> driving.
>
Well that comment almost made me spray my screens with hot tea!
Thanks for the laugh!

I have a friend with Celiac disease, and it is no picnic. Her diet is severely restricted. She's also lactose intolerant, and practically lives on rice and veggies.But, if she is very careful, she feels good; if not, she goes through a couple weeks of ... uh... intestinal instability.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 04, 2006 10:27PM
I've had some problems since 1983, but the most recent ones started in 1998. I was going into anaphalxis after eating corn products and stayed on a no-corn diet for almost 3 years. You wouln't believe how many things corn is in. I was down to about 10 foods I could eat without a reaction, when a naturopathic person got me on a regime that allowed me to eat most things again.

My sister's boss had a son who was about dead with a handful of symptoms similar to mine, yet many that weren't. I told him it sounded like what I had read about gluten problems. He went to the Mayo Clinic for 5 days and they found that that was his problem.

I thought since no concrete diagnosis has been found for me, that I might have the same problem to a lesser degree. I am not looking forward to a no-gluten diet just on a hunch, after the no-corn diet. So, I wondered if anyone had any experience in how soon a healing process might be noticed.


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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: MacArtist
Date: February 04, 2006 10:40PM
Dennis,

The no-corn diet would be hard for me.

From my experience, I would think you should see improvement in a week to two weeks. Depends on how much you were exposed to gluten prior to changing your diet.

There are blood tests you can order that will tell you if you are celiac.

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I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making
him carry me, and yet assure myself and others
that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means — except by getting off
his back. - Leo Tolstoy, novelist and Philosopher
(1828-1910)

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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: rob banzai
Date: February 04, 2006 11:44PM
I've been through about ten years of intestinal misery with no answers. I've been tested for celiac. I've gone on and off so many different things it's not funny. At one point I found a very old grocery list from before I was sick so I made a grocery run for only those items. Didn't help.

I can't find any pattern. Maybe it's caffeine! Go off caffeine for a week, get sick anyway. Maybe it's fast food. Go off fast food for a week, get sick anyway. Maybe it's sugar! and so on and so on. Usually just when I think I've finally figured out and I get a little peace and quiet is when all hell breaks loose again.

I've lost over ten pounds in the last couple of years and I was skinny to start with.

if someone could tell me definitively what would work, I would do it. I would go on an all-sand diet if I knew for certain that would fix this problem once and for all.
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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: Refurbvirgin
Date: February 05, 2006 02:52AM
"The treatment of celiac disease is clear: eliminate all source of gliadin, eliminate dairy products initially, correct underlying nutritional deficiencies by taking a high-potency multiple-vitamin-and-mineral formula, and identify and eliminate all food allergens. In the first two months after diagnosis, pancreatic enzymes at dosages described should be used to speed up the healing process. If you do not respond within two months, consult your doctor again to reconsider the diagnosis.
Maintenance of a strict gluten-free diet is difficult in the United States. We encourage you to read labels carefully in order to avoid hidden sources of gliadin, such as are found in some brands of soy sauce, modified food starch, ice cream, soup, beer, wine, vodka, whisky, malt, and other foods. We also encourage you to consult resources for education and information on gluten-free recipes, such as:

American Celiac Society
45 Gifford Avenue
Jersey City, NJ 07304

American Digestive Disease Society
7720 Wisconsin Avenue
Bethesda, MD 20014

Gluten Tolerance Group of North America
P.O. Box 23053
Seattle, WA 98102

National Digestive Disease Education and Information Clearing House
1555 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 600
Rosslyn, WA 22209"

Full article found in "Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" by Michael Murray, N.D. & Joseph Pizzorno, N.D.

If you want particulars from the full article, let me know & I'll post them.
Good luck!







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Re: If gluten-intolerant, how long before no-wheat diet helps?
Posted by: tuqqer
Date: February 05, 2006 01:08PM
rob banzai Wrote:
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> I can't find any pattern. Maybe it's caffeine! Go
> off caffeine for a week, get sick anyway. Maybe
> it's fast food. Go off fast food for a week, get
> sick anyway. Maybe it's sugar! and so on and so
> on. Usually just when I think I've finally figured
> out and I get a little peace and quiet is when all
> hell breaks loose again.

Rob, read up on the concept of detoxification; basically, the stages you go through as you cleanse your cells, which is what you were doing with each of these actions. Give it time. Old cells have to go somewhere during the change-out process, and as they're leaving, they're basically a great breeding ground for any and all microbes. Give it time. Get ahold of a book called Controlling Crohn's Disease by Virginia Harper. Don't be thrown by the name. The gut dis-ease names really all run together at some point, because the cause has very similar orgins. Ginny could've easy called her book, "Fix the damn GI tract" or something. The key, imho, is to understand how the entire GI tract works, learn what modern-day habits slowly harm it to the point of symptoms, and then how to feed it what it needs to repair. And, give it time! A couple months should get you back on track.

PS: if you want or trust more the medical understanding to detox, get Detox or Die by Dr. Sherry Roger, MD. I met Sherry while we were both speakers on a cruise ship, talking about cleansing and healing. Her book is one of the better ones out there on the concept of cellular cleansing.



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