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HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: mikebw
Date: May 20, 2008 10:53AM
So my search for a new receiver continues.

I have received some advice here on a previous thread that I should really consider getting a receiver with HDMI spec version 1.3 (or 1.3a). I agree that is probably a good investment for the future, but I am wondering how useful that will really be. I don't plan on buying a new receiver for at least 5 years, maybe 10, who knows since I keep things running forever. 1.3 supports "deep color" which doesn't even exist in the real world yet, and I don't really know what else but shouldn't 1.2 be good enough for the next 5-10 years? I don't even have a blu-ray player yet, but would probably get the PS3.

Here are my major requirements, on a $400 budget:

HDMI v1.2 or higher
3 HDMI inputs
2 Component inputs (3 is better)
All analog video inputs get routed to HDMI video output, 1080i or 1080p is better.
7.1 channel output
Banana speaker posts (no spring terminals, at least not on the main output)
A nice OSD (on screen display) would be nice, but not mandatory

I am really considering the Sony STR-DG910 which is being discontinued, but for the price (about $350) I think it really suits my needs right now. My 2 concerns are that it is only HDMI v1.2 and that many people seem to think the sound quality is not on par with other brands like Yamaha and Onkyo in that price range.

My opinion is that since the other brands don't even have a model that meets my needs it doesn't even matter. For serious high-quality music listening I probably wouldn't even use this receiver. I've got a Pioneer SPEC stereo setup that will probably be the best piece of audio equipment I ever own.

Any more suggestions? This whole process of figuring everything out is quite a challenge.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 20, 2008 10:58AM
Can't recommend what you "should" do but here are some resources:

[www.octavainc.com]

[www.highdefdigest.com] (I like this writer)

[www.hdmi.org]
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: beerman
Date: May 20, 2008 11:01AM
On a $400 budget I wouldn't be too picky on versions of a video connection. Your going to get alot of enjoyment out of that $400.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: deckeda
Date: May 20, 2008 11:02AM
However, I won't be getting anything that doesn't support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio, because lossy audio is for losers. Losers, I said! Be a lion! (sorry, I just saw School for Scoundrels.)

"[1.3] Supports output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams for external decoding by AV receivers."
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: Chupa Chupa
Date: May 20, 2008 11:28AM
1) Non-ES Sony is pure Crap. With a capital "C." Plenty of better receivers in that price range (maybe less features, but you get what you pay for). I say this a a general fan of Sony products. I would never buy a non-ES receiver. Of course I'd never buy an ES receiver either b/c Denon and Onkyo offer more at the same or better quality for the same money.

2) As mentioned HDMI 1.2 doesn't handle the HD audio codecs supported by BD, so there is no way it's going to hold up for 5 years.

You say you don't own a BD player now. When you buy one are you planning on buying a new receiver too? BD's pic is great, but audio is half the experience. Just as there is a big difference between watching a 480i picture and a 1080p picture, there is a similar difference is listening to a soundtrack in DD 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD, especially if you are looking for true 7.1 and not a simulated mode.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: Gareth
Date: May 20, 2008 01:33PM
I'd either try to scrape up a little more money for a Onkyo TX-SR606, or find a vendor that sells the Onkyo in your price range (it's $500 from Crutchfield), since this is the receiver that seems to meet all your specs, except price (which is close).
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: BernDog
Date: May 20, 2008 03:26PM
Gareth's suggestion looks good. Here's a fleabay if you're comfortable:

[cgi.ebay.com]

BIN $385 plus shipping ($35 to my zip in Iowa). What's another $20?
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: artie67
Date: May 20, 2008 03:38PM
Ok, 2 hdmi in, 1 out,THX rated, Ipod input(cable included), Sirius,XM,mic for set up and 120w x 7. Good display, loaded with inputs and screw terminals. Note: not spaced for a dual banana plug, but easy to wire if you "tin solder" the speaker wire. I got mine 6 months ago from Amazon for $380. I see Abes of Maine has it for $324. Pioneer VSX-1017TXV-K. Check it out.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: Bo
Date: May 20, 2008 04:35PM
I was in a very similar quandary about 6 months ago and wound up with an Onkyo TX-SR605 and have been very happy. I think it meets all of your requirements including (HDMI 1.3) but only has two HDMI inputs. Price is $260 for a refurb at eCost right now (1 yr warranty). I bought mine there and it all went smoothly. I have not second guessed my purchase once and the whole home theater runs smoothly.

Hope this helps.

-Bo
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: mikebw
Date: May 20, 2008 05:35PM
I have been looking closely at Onkyo as well. I like the 605, but like you say the 2 HDMI is a minus, and the 606 is better but more money.

Maybe I should just give up on the idea of 3 HDMI inputs in favor of getting a receiver with HDMI v1.3 instead. Would you agree that makes more sense? I just know that in the next few years I will be getting a BluRay player, and I already have a digital cable box, so that's 2 HDMI sources already, that would leave none for future use. I just didn't want to buy something that I know would be maxed out in terms of inputs, but there are always component inputs I guess.

Thanks.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: Bo
Date: May 20, 2008 06:23PM
The 3 vs. 2 hdmi inputs weighed on me a bit until I realized I was spending too much time obsessing about it, especially for a sub $300 receiver. I came to the conclusion that I only needed two at the time...Tivo HD and HD DVD (doh!) and am still just using the two. By the time I need another the price on a 3 input receiver will drop and I'll deal with it then.

BTW avsforum.com has an enormous thread on the Onkyo Tx-SR605 (almost 9,000 posts...yes, thousands)

[www.avsforum.com]

-Bo
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: dk62
Date: May 20, 2008 08:05PM
And HDMI switchers can be had for ~$50, if needed.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: dk62
Date: May 20, 2008 08:17PM
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artie67
Ok, 2 hdmi in, 1 out,THX rated, Ipod input(cable included), Sirius,XM,mic for set up and 120w x 7. Good display, loaded with inputs and screw terminals. Note: not spaced for a dual banana plug, but easy to wire if you "tin solder" the speaker wire. I got mine 6 months ago from Amazon for $380. I see Abes of Maine has it for $324. Pioneer VSX-1017TXV-K. Check it out.

Note that it does not have advanced codecs, nor sound over HDMI (making HDMI 1.0 vs 1.3 discussion moot).
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: mikebw
Date: May 20, 2008 11:22PM
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Bo
The 3 vs. 2 hdmi inputs weighed on me a bit until I realized I was spending too much time obsessing about it, especially for a sub $300 receiver. I came to the conclusion that I only needed two at the time...Tivo HD and HD DVD (doh!) and am still just using the two. By the time I need another the price on a 3 input receiver will drop and I'll deal with it then.

BTW avsforum.com has an enormous thread on the Onkyo Tx-SR605 (almost 9,000 posts...yes, thousands)

[www.avsforum.com]

-Bo

True. I can only think of 2 HDMI sources I would need in the next couple years, so I should probably be good for a while with the 605... and yes I have been all over the AVS forums, at first it helps but then if you keep reading you find even more information that makes your decision harder.


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dk62
And HDMI switchers can be had for ~$50, if needed.

Yeah, I really didn't want to go that route, especially if I am spending $400 on a new product, but as it stands I might not even need to do that at all. The TV I am planning on buying (sometime in the future) will have at least a couple more HDMi inputs, and not everything has to run through the receiver, so that should be a decent solution.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: mikebw
Date: May 21, 2008 05:11AM
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deckeda
[www.highdefdigest.com] (I like this writer)

Thanks for that link. After reading the article I am very much convinced that I do not need HDMI 1.3 at all really. Even still, I don't think I will go with the Sony due to the lower quality audio amplifiers used in their designs, so the Onkyo 605 may still be my choice.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: dk62
Date: May 21, 2008 07:30AM
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mikebw
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deckeda
[www.highdefdigest.com] (I like this writer)

Thanks for that link. After reading the article I am very much convinced that I do not need HDMI 1.3 at all really. Even still, I don't think I will go with the Sony due to the lower quality audio amplifiers used in their designs, so the Onkyo 605 may still be my choice.

Also note that the article was written a year ago and things have changed somewhat. "Deep color" is vaporware, but having 1.3 will give you many more options for a Blu-Ray player once you decide to go that way (instead of going for potentially top-of-line with all advanced decoders) because of audio.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2008 07:37AM by dk62.
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Re: HDMI 1.2 vs. 1.3
Posted by: mikebw
Date: May 21, 2008 09:04AM
Agreed. I don't think that 1.3 is a bad thing, especially since it has seemed to spur a great deal of competition amongst manufacturers like Onkyo, Sony and Yamaha. Driving prices down while increasing feature sets is always good for the consumer, well, unless you bought the previous model and don't like it anymore, which is what I don't want to happen.
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