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Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Greg
Date: September 19, 2009 02:30PM
I'm on the 405, in traffic, on the Flyaway bus. I'm heading for LAX, after which I'll be at home in Kansas.

The bus has to keep stopping short, so it doesn't hit the car in front. Everyone else is doing this, too.

Outside, the hills alongside Sepulveda are mostly brown, because this is a desert.

I wonder if things will ever break down. People moved here and tried to make the desert something it isn't, but there are water shortages, and water mains break.

People build freeways to travel, but they're full.

Do things just revert? Does everything gets close enough, and hot enough, so the pressure just increases until everything boils, and then evaporates? People leave, the 405 opens up, nature reclaims the front lawns, movie studios move to Cananda, and the sales tax will be lowered from its current 9.75%.

I hope everone here is exposed to alternatives. Some will want to stay; some will want to leave.

Next time, maybe I'll have someone from MR or AS show me fun stuff, so I can have a different opinion.

I hate the constant traffic. We took my nieces to a museum, 30 miles away. It took an hour going, and and hour+15 coming back. It's just harsh.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Doc
Date: September 19, 2009 02:37PM
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Greg
Do things just revert?

They do, but the area from around LAX up the coast to Santa Monica is built on unstable pockets of gravel and clay that are subject to liquefaction and will slide into the sea when the big one hits.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Mike Johnson
Date: September 19, 2009 02:51PM
Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 19, 2009 02:52PM
I was born and raised there and am there every few weeks or so to hang with my Mom, Sister and friends.

L.A. is a great place. I love everything about it and we're all mostly from South Central (blocks from Gardena).

It really all depends on your perspective and how you look at it. If you want to see problems, then your eyes will never stop seeing them. If you want joy, then you'll find that too.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Greg
Date: September 19, 2009 03:17PM
vision63,

I'd interpret it as what I see and experience, not what I desire.

Next time I'm here, I'm staying with your family. :-)
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Doc
Date: September 19, 2009 03:20PM
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vision63
If you want joy, then you'll find that too.

If you're into that sort of thing.

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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: zeppo2
Date: September 19, 2009 05:00PM
For the most part, I think it's just part of human nature to reshape nature into something unnatural. River floods? Build dykes and levees that will eventually fail. Hot, dry plains? Irrigate and fertilize until it produces something salable. Islands in the water--build a bunch of canals and houses on foundations that will eventually be overcome by water. LA and other big cities just tend to make our tendencies a bit more obvious. As Browning said, "a man's grasp should exceed his reach, or what's a heaven for?"
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: JoeH
Date: September 19, 2009 05:04PM
Places can revert, all depends. Living in New England, in W. Mass., I see constant reminders of that. There are large areas of forest away from the larger cities that in the mid-1800's to around 1900 were open farmland and pastureland. Those forests have mostly taken back the land just since the 1920's and '30's. Same has happened in much of southern New England. So if you have seen those wooded areas or pictures of them and thought they were always like that, well it just is not so.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: GeneL
Date: September 19, 2009 05:34PM
The traffic on the 405, from the South Bay to the 101 is so bad that I rarely see my grandkids who live in Thousand Oaks. Driving up from Dana point is torture on my right leg because of all the stop and go traffic. Plus, it's really ugly until you get to the Sepulveda Pass.

What a difference from the 101 once you get to Topanga Canyon road. From there north it's quite pretty.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: BCam
Date: September 19, 2009 07:00PM
Hate New York City
It's cold and it's damp
And all the people dressed like monkeys
Let's leave Chicago to the Eskimos
That town's a little bit too rugged
For you and me you bad girl

Rollin' down the Imperial Highway
With a big nasty redhead at my side
Santa Ana winds blowin' hot from the north
And we as born to ride

Roll down the window put down the top
Crank up the Beach Boys baby
Don't let the music stop
We're gonna ride it till we just can't ride it no more

>From the South Bay to the Valley
>From the West Side to the East Side
Everybody's very happy
'Cause the sun is shining all the time
Looks like another perfect day

I love L.A. (We love it)
I love L.A. (We love it)

Look at that mountain
Look at those trees
Look at that bum over there, man
He's down on his knees
Look at these women
There ain't nothin' like 'em nowhere

Century Boulevard (We love it)
Victory Boulevard (We love it)
Santa Monica Boulevard (We love it)
Sixth Street (We love it, we love it)

I love L.A.
I love L.A.
(We love it)
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: kanesa
Date: September 19, 2009 07:45PM
When I'm on the beltline or the interstate, I always say "Where's everyone going?" There's just too many of them.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: N-OS X-tasy!
Date: September 19, 2009 08:28PM
I received a "rumination" on the 405 once, when my car broke down at the bottom of the NB Rosecrans Blvd. offramp during rush hour. smoking smiley



It is what it is.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 19, 2009 10:36PM
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Greg
vision63,

I'd interpret it as what I see and experience, not what I desire.

Next time I'm here, I'm staying with your family. :-)

You can not believe how welcome you'd be anywhere I'm at.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Doc
Date: September 20, 2009 12:33AM
Ya know, there is a plus side to Los Angeles traffic.

When I came back East, I discovered that I had a great tolerance for the minor inconvenience they call "traffic" here.

Heh. "Traffic."

They call this stuff traffic?!!
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 20, 2009 01:01AM
Next time rent a Blista and drive up through the Vinewood hills.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Greg
Date: September 20, 2009 01:02AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Next time rent a Blista and drive up through the Vinewood hills.

:-)
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: kap
Date: September 20, 2009 12:26PM
I wasn't born in L.A. but I grew up here. S/O was born and raised here. She loves L.A. for all its glory. She always wants to move into the City. I have never cared. We have always ended up living in the subs. It's been all right for the past 30 years due to schools and jobs. Now we are hoping to move to Ventura county by the time we turn 50s. It's about less density (car and people traffic), clean air and cooler weather smiling smiley



SoCal for now.
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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 20, 2009 10:19PM
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kap
Now we are hoping to move to Ventura county by the time we turn 50s.

Ventura would be my choice if I had to live in California somewhere south of Santa Barbra.



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Re: Ruminations on the 405 south
Posted by: billb
Date: September 21, 2009 07:26AM
I'm suspicious the Southern California I spent a Summer in in 1975 is gone.
(there were lines then, just not on the roads)
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