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Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: DaviDC.
Date: October 18, 2009 01:17PM
I'm not belittling the good these medications can accomplish, but the ads for them are starting to bum me out.

Is it my imagination or has the frequency these ads run increased dramatically in recent weeks?



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: Jerry®
Date: October 18, 2009 01:24PM
I've noticed that too. They've just started marketing for a new antidepressant called PRISTIQ (which is a cousin to EFFEXOR) and I've seen a lot of these kind of ads. Also the ads for ABILIFY.

Yeah it's kinda depressing, especially if you HAVE depression.



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 18, 2009 01:32PM
These medications seem to have a LONG list of side affects.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: SteveO
Date: October 18, 2009 01:42PM
What freeradical said. I would avoid ADs and advise family and friends to do so if at all possible.

I will say I like the piano track on one of those spots. Maybe it is Abilify.

You're probably seeing an increase of the TV spots due to the onset of winter. This time of year, there is less sunlight and so people affected by SAD (seasonal affective disorder) can be in a tough spot. Easy pickin's for the drug makers.

I've read that sitting in front of a special light can greatly improve the feelings of SAD sufferers.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: Ammo
Date: October 18, 2009 01:44PM
On the up side, maybe these ads will help raise awareness of how many suffer from depression and help people in general become less likely to think of it as a character weakness.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: guitarist
Date: October 18, 2009 01:45PM
Watching too much TV and too many commercials can bum you out, regardless of what product is being advertised. One could have these symptoms watching the same toy commercial too many times.

Having said that, I agree, and I've also noticed, Drug advertising appears to be more in circulation. I used to feel the same way about Excedrin commercials. The actor's performance of being a headache sufferer gives me a headache!

Maybe it's part of an evil corporate plot! They steadily play these depressing commercials, as more viewers find themselves getting bummed out, suffering symptoms of depression, more seek treatment and medication, and the drug companies gain more customers. Oh, that is so evil! I wish I'd thought of it!
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 18, 2009 01:50PM
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SteveO
I will say I like the piano track on one of those spots. Maybe it is Abilify.

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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 18, 2009 02:03PM
>>I would avoid ADs and advise family and friends to do so if at all possible.

Ug, yes, but at the same time there are plenty of people out there who NEED these drugs and have a long laundry list of reasons why they shouldn't get treatment.





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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: Mike Sellers
Date: October 18, 2009 02:55PM
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. . . there are plenty of people out there who NEED these drugs and have a long laundry list of reasons why they shouldn't get treatment.

Yeah, like the fact that, as soon as it gets on your medical record that you've been treated for depression, you get charged more for health insurance, life insurance, disability, etc. Which, if money worries are deepening the depression, as I'm sure happens much more these days, just makes things worse.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 18, 2009 02:58PM
>>Yeah, like the fact that, as soon as it gets on your medical record

Is that different from any other long term medial problem?





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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 18, 2009 03:01PM
My theory is that in these economic times, pharmaceutical companies have much bigger advertising budgets than many other companies. Which is depressing.



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: October 18, 2009 03:24PM
maybe we should join the rest of the planet and decide to NOT show these ads on TV at all.




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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: Don Kiyoti
Date: October 18, 2009 03:25PM
Drug company advertising of all kinds is depressing!

I'm sure that the drug companies recognize that with the economy in bad shape, more people are suffering from stress and depression and so it's a good time for them to expand their customer base.

On the other hand, antidepressants are of great benefit to many people including myself. SteveO, I hope you can back up your advice for your family and friends to avoid ADs with very solid information and not just opinion that "drugs are bad." You could be doing more harm than good.





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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: vicrock
Date: October 18, 2009 04:14PM
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maybe we should join the rest of the planet and decide to NOT show these ads on TV at all.

My sentiments too! Just think how much less drugs would cost if there were no multi- billion dollar advertising budgets to pay for??
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: gabester
Date: October 18, 2009 04:14PM
Commercials for depression medication depresses me

Fixed it for ya.
I don't think any of these commercials advertising medication should be allowed. Seems like doctors ought to be the ones to advise their patients on what medications to take, not the other way around. At the very most, drug companies should be allowed to sponsor internet links; but all this @#$%& nonsense during Sunday Football and family programming should simply not be allowed.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 18, 2009 05:07PM
Good point about not allowing this sort of advertising. Encouraging people to run to the doctor and ask for a particular brand of drug (that they perhaps do not even need) just because they like the commercial is a terrible concept.



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: October 18, 2009 05:45PM
I think it used to be just us and New Zealand. Now even they have stopped (or are in the process of stopping) the ads.




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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: guitarist
Date: October 18, 2009 07:16PM
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My theory is that in these economic times, pharmaceutical companies have much bigger advertising budgets than many other companies. Which is depressing.

I think there's a distorted perception that the number or frequency of drug ads has increased.

I don't think they've changed at all. What has changed, is that we're indoors more, watching slightly more television--and seeing more ads--than we were during the summer months. This is a normal seasonal change. And why the Fall season is when networks showcase their new fall lineup. People are coming back to the couch in the evening, like birds migrating, it's a natural cycle.

Re: allowing or disallowing drug advertising. Drug ads on TV are a relatively new phenomenon, it used to be forbidden. How long has it been since deregulation allowed conditional drug advertising? Sometime in the last 20 years or so. Maybe less. The condition being, side effects and warnings had to be included in the TV spot, listed by the announcer. This is why the ads are noticed so much, the announcer's voice listing all these unpleasant or bizarre side effects.

The thing is, if you read the label carefully on any medication sold in the U.S., you'll see a list of side effects. Sometimes a very long list of side effects. Not just antidepressants. All meds are required to list any possible side effect. Even over the counter medications.

As the baby boom ages and becomes more medication dependent, the more we're likely to see ads for medications, unless a law is passed to forbid TV ads again. Which many would support, I'm sure. But many others would not support, they'd see as unfairly singling out one particular industry. If we really dislike it, we can voice our grievance, and motivate lawmakers to repeal the law, so we won't have to be offended anymore by TV ads we find annoying.

But if we do that, can we do it to all the other ads we find annoying, too? I don't know about you, but my list is pretty long. Where do we start, and where does it end? How about no ads at all? Except ads with pretty female spokesmodels? I want to keep those.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 18, 2009 09:46PM
>>But if we do that, can we do it to all the other ads we find annoying, too?

The argument against drug ads isn't based on how annoying the ads are. If that were the basis, no car dealers would ever be allowed to advertise.

>>Where do we start, and where does it end?

The definition is very clear. We're talking about drug ads.

The reason drug ads are banned in much of the world is because they attempt to bypass the doctor's say in treatment. If there are a lot of ads, they're trying to strong their way into patients minds





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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 18, 2009 10:18PM
I'm seriously not watching more TV now. In fact, between the Mad Men DVD sets and the Homicide DVD set, we are barely watching any current TV at all right now. The first quarter of the Ravens/Vikings game was almost all EDS medications and depression medications and cholesterol medications. WTF happened to the beer commercials? Seriously. Is football an old people's sport now?







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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: freeradical
Date: October 18, 2009 10:27PM
How many countries of the world have pharmaceutical companies that are actually developing new drugs?

Switzerland
United States
Germany
France
Sweden
Japan
Israel

Just a small handful. Ever wonder why new drugs are not developed in countries like China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Kenya, Argentina, etc?
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: guitarist
Date: October 19, 2009 12:28AM
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The reason drug ads are banned in much of the world is because they attempt to bypass the doctor's say in treatment. If there are a lot of ads, they're trying to strong their way into patients minds

I suspect the other countries' broadcast regulators take a more paternalistic role than we'd be comfortable with here. Since a prescription is required, the doctor's judgement is not being bypassed. Even if there was an alleged bypass "attempt" by an advertiser. It's the patient and doctor's decision, ultimately, exclusively, the doctor's final decision. No problem there. The phrase "strong arm" is subjective, it suggests the viewer is a powerless victim of a stronger force on TV than their own judgement, and therefore are in need of special protection. Hmmm.

All advertising is by nature trying to influence a consumer choice in a way that's favorable to the product being advertised, that's normal.

However, one could say, a clinically depressed or gravely ill person's judgement is different than a healthy person's. With that in mind, I'm inclined to agree that when it's a medical decision involved, advertising for products like drugs should be restricted, or regulated, or arguably, prohibited.

I suspect some of these earlier prohibitions were challenged, tested in court, and struck down.

Interesting that TV ads are regulated differently than print ads, or radio ads. Long ago the US prohibited cigarette advertising on TV, but in print it's still okay. And liquor ads are restricted on TV, but not in print. Lots of liquor and tobacco advertised in magazines. Apparently the assumption is that TV advertising is more hypnotic or dangerous? And print ads are deemed okay? Or have a more powerful lobby? It seems arbitrary.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mattkime
Date: October 19, 2009 06:31AM
>>Since a prescription is required, the doctor's judgement is not being bypassed.

Heh, if only.

Instead of a patient coming in and saying "doctor, I have xyz symptoms" they say "doctor, i need xyz drug." If thats not bypassing the doctor's decision making process then i don't know what is.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: billb
Date: October 19, 2009 07:41AM
Your doctor knows what drug is best for you. The drug manufactureres invite them to play golf and live it up and hand out free samples to make sure of it.

Can't have ads on TV to allow people to make choices for themselves or even know what thier options are.

You sure don't want educated patients.
That would be too much like having educated voters.
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: October 19, 2009 11:11AM
Try watching any daytime television. It's been taken over by Mother's Little Helpers ads.



“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy.’ They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: October 19, 2009 12:31PM
....I feel 'ya.....I cry at those long distance commercials.....



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: mikebw
Date: October 19, 2009 01:03PM
"These aren't the ones you're looking for."
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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: $tevie
Date: October 19, 2009 03:22PM
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Your doctor knows what drug is best for you. The drug manufactureres invite them to play golf and live it up and hand out free samples to make sure of it.

Can't have ads on TV to allow people to make choices for themselves or even know what thier options are.

You sure don't want educated patients.
That would be too much like having educated voters.

I don't think anyone defines "TV commercials" as "educational". Or do you really believe that there was A Tiger In Your Tank?

Would you approve of a patient visiting their doctor and saying "I'm not interested in your input, I need a sigmoidoscopy"?



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Re: Commercials for depression medication depresses me
Posted by: billb
Date: October 20, 2009 08:17AM
I had a tiger in my tank. The tail hung out the cap door for months.


If you had a product to sell, the first place to educate the public about what you want them to buy is right on the medium the couch poatao drones are addicted to.

Run a poll sometime where people first 'learned' about @#$%&. It'll be TV.
Same with Cialis.

Too many in this country suffer from depression and live with it.
I think those ads do a damned good job of an example of what it is like for the sufferer (and those around them) . If it helps 1,000 friend and/or relatives convince someone they don't have to live in a grey world (whether they end up on that particular drug offering or just counseling) - that's not education ?

I learn the sports scores from the boob tube, sometimes, too.

You're more than welcome to live within the constrains of your conveniently narrow definitions, though.
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