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Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Dakota
Date: January 29, 2010 08:43AM
Now, how can that be? Just two days after you shut down practically your entire manufacturing with irreparable harm to your reputation you find the source of the problem? If it was that obvious wouldn't you have found it before taking such dramatic action?



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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Don C
Date: January 29, 2010 08:57AM
ABC News last night said that the accelerator pedal was only part of the problem and that by itself would not completely resolve the problem. They suggested that there are some software issues that have not been fixed yet.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Dakota
Date: January 29, 2010 09:00AM
Well, this is what AP is reporting today,

DETROIT – Toyota Motor Corp. has told employees that it has figured out how to fix a problem with sticking accelerator pedals and will brief them on the details on Friday.



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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: SteveO
Date: January 29, 2010 09:05AM
Sounds like The Office ep from last night!
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: mikebw
Date: January 29, 2010 09:05AM
Well you can bet that NOBODY got to go home until they found a solution, so I believe it.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: January 29, 2010 09:08AM
It was reported that the accelerator sets are provided by two different companies.
One version has issues and the other doesn't. The fix is replacing the affected
cars with the accelerator set that does not have the problems.

There were even reports of car dealers looking up under the dash where the
accelerator pedal attached to determine which cars needed the fix.
The stopped sales to boost confidence that the problem was being dealt with.
They actually could continue to sell the unaffected cars - but choose not to.

If you are looking at a used one do not by one with the CTS Co. accelerator.

[www.usatoday.com]

FWIW - I know a guy that works on the Camry line and they have a one week
shut down while they wait for the second supplier to catch up with parts demand.
The "fix" has been known for awhile by the guys in the plant.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2010 09:18AM by lafinfil.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: decay
Date: January 29, 2010 09:26AM
these cars are assembled in the USA, with parts made in the USA.


BUY AMERICAN! smiling smiley
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Mini 9
Date: January 29, 2010 09:26AM
I give you the lowly, simple ...

SHIM

[www.reuters.com]
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U.S. safety authorities for a proposed remedy: shipping a "spacer" or "shim" to its U.S. dealers
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: decay
Date: January 29, 2010 10:16AM
I thought a shim was...

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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: January 29, 2010 10:35AM
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decay
I thought a shim was...




I'll bet that DOES live up, under the dashboard.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Dakota
Date: January 29, 2010 10:49AM
However this turns out it is going to hugely affect used Toyotas. Nobody buying a used Toyota can be sure if it is in the affected group or it has been properly fixed. Why take the chance?



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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: decay
Date: January 29, 2010 10:57AM
Honda > Toyota
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: billb
Date: January 29, 2010 11:00AM
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Dakota
Now, how can that be? Just two days after you shut down practically your entire manufacturing with irreparable harm to your reputation you find the source of the problem? If it was that obvious wouldn't you have found it before taking such dramatic action?

semantics - that should be a possible cure for one of the potential scenario causes of 'stuck' throttles.

Actually solutions occur after deadlines more often than you might want to know.



You'd also be surprised how often solutions for engineering problems aren't solved by the design engineer, but some one out in the field not influenced by text book rules.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: January 29, 2010 11:04AM
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billb
You'd also be surprised how often solutions for engineering problems aren't solved by the design engineer, but some one out in the field not influenced by text book rules.
agree smiley agree smiley agree smiley

I'll also add that the Design engineer usually didn't even perceive the problem, despite being an expert in the field. And most of those are like <Smack head> "Dude, I can't believe you missed that !" sort of issues.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Rick-o
Date: January 29, 2010 11:24AM
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decay
these cars are assembled in the USA, with parts made in the USA and the profits are shipped overseas.


BUY FROM AMERICAN COMPANIES! smiling smiley

There! Fixed that for ya!! driving smiley



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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: January 29, 2010 11:41AM
Our guy at the Toyota dealership where we trade called yesterday
and said neither our Prius nor my sons Scion is affected by this.
He said it is thought be a moisture problem in sensors by CTS. They
don't use CTS sensors in Japan maybe they used a little deductive
reasoning that if it's not happening in Japan it has to be the Sensors
made here.



Grateful11
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: decocritter
Date: January 29, 2010 12:07PM
They probably knew about the problems (more than they were letting on) for quite a while and have been working on a fix for quite a while, but things caught up with them. So the media blitz catch up act.


I got a notice a while back about the Prius and floor mats causing issues, and they were supposed to let us know what to do. What has happened to that? Is there a problem or not with the Prius? Heard that replacement all weather mats were to be provided as well as car to be checked out.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: michael_s
Date: January 29, 2010 12:38PM
Not saying I would want to have a car with an accelerator problem, but...

MIllions of Toyota's sold. Problem is very difficult to duplicate and very, very rare.

But based on the amount of cars sold, the few incidents of problems that can really be proven to be caused by a stuck accelerator, they seem to be going above and beyond.

Like those faulty tires on the Ford Explored.
I never saw a picture of a separated tire that was not already worn out before it came apart.
Research showed many, if not all of the vehicles that had problems, the tires were way under inflated. Like 10-12 psi instead of the 30 + recommended.

Is the vehicle operator ever responsible?

I'm just sayin'.
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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Jimmypoo
Date: January 29, 2010 01:14PM
THIS IS THE PROBLEM:


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Re: Toyota finds a fix. Hmm, that was quick!
Posted by: Dick Moore
Date: January 29, 2010 09:23PM
Well, Toyote proved to me once again that the Japanese take quality seriously. Back in the day, a company I worked for selling audio electronics (amplifiers, preamps, cassette decks, cd players, etc.) had suppliers from both Taiwan and Japan. When we had a problem with a Chinese component, they stone-walled us for months, then finally gave a price concession, leaving us to buy parts and do repairs. When we had a problem with a Japanese component, they flew a complete team of people and parts to our plant to rework the defective pieces. Nothing much has changed -- it's a cultural thing.



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